The Icelandverse will replace the Metaverse - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-peUrRUH218
My problem is that there are too many clever folk on either side of this debate, and that, ultimately, they'll serve profiteers, directly or indirectly. Surely its commonsense to be against pollution in our backyards, and against unnecessary consumer…
My problem is that there are too many clever folk on either side of this debate, and that, ultimately, they'll serve profiteers, directly or indirectly. Surely its commonsense to be against pollution in our backyards, and against unnecessary consumerism globally? Climate deniers don't have to support toxic rivers, and climate activists don't have to deny essential energy needs.
LOL love it. We have Iceland on our list and Scotland then Norway on the same trip, but it's looking like that's a long way off at this point. I've been to Edinburgh but way before 9/11.
Well said, Mike. On issues of climate change and the debate around it, I appreciate the perspective outlined by Charles Eisenstein in his book, Climate: A New Story.
I have more books on my list and on my headphones than I could ever get through, but I have downloaded Eisentein's - thanks. I read Greer's excellent essay and the part that stands out for me, something that has long bugged me, is the gradual acceptance of declining health - societal and self. We normalise things to our detriment. Even the madness of politics is normal now. I see Greer has a sequel, 'Dark Age America'.
Good stuff. Greer has an essay on the subject on his website. His perspectives on civilizational collapse helped to free me from the prison of catastrophizing climate change/disruption, reorienting me to personal sovereignty and agency. The question has always been for me, what do I do? Or, how do I live my life in response to the historical moment? Skill up and get resilient and love harder is the answer I come up with. Get free of depending on the larger, more distal systems. And pass it all on to the kids. A Wendell Berry sort of life.
Your explanation of how you cope with the futility of "participation" within the commercial ecosystem mirrors my personal quandary about how to proceed in this life "against the grain" of societal madness. I'm finding that it's a daily practice of "going with the grain" of my/our better instincts which exist in obfuscated forms. Your comment is a succinct explanation of what I think a lot of folks are trying to articulate. I will remember it. Thank you Shagbark.
Nothing against you, but here is a list of some of the methods you employ around the net so other's can learn to recognize how its done - as one can certainly learn a lot from your formulaic writing!
So, this is what i see as being your main tools, hope you don't mind that i share:
* Creating false equivalencies - For example, giving equal weight to climate deniers and activists can wrongly imply the scientific consensus on climate change is less established than it is.
* Supporting "both-sidesism" - Treating all positions as morally equivalent can muddle issues where one side has a stronger factual or ethical stance. Climate impact is measurable, whereas fears of activism may be exaggerated.
* Enabling concern trolling - A focus on civility and balance can be used as a tactic to subtly undermine policies for climate action.
* Promoting delay or inaction - Emphasizing complexity could potentially paralyze decision making, or be used as a rationale for avoiding hard choices needed to address climate change.
* Diluting clearly-defined positions - Appeals for nuance may introduce ambiguity, allow drift to less committed stances, and undermine activists calling for definitive action.
Note .. I'm as annoyed with the fear-control mechanism as our host, keep that in mind as you read to understand the methods through the hypotheticals/examples herein.
I assume you copy and paste the same speech on comment sections everywhere. Derailer indeed, starting with the false assumption of my beliefs and intentions.
Actually, no, i don't. I've just run a bunch of your posts through my software to base my comments on observable fact. I made no inferences about you as a person, your beliefs or your intentions ..and i won't be derailed by your play at emotion.
Which .. may i point out .. is different, practically and ethically from attempting to make an ass-(out of)u(and)-me by escalation to ad hominy.
Thanks for being true to yourself. You showed much more that I thought you would and maybe other people will notice how derailed things get when you show up.
Notice how many things come wrapped in plastic? And how come we need to buy water in bottles because tap water is no longer drinkable? What fraction of what was given to Ukraine would clean up the water supply in the US and the EU?
The onus (worry?) has been put on the consumer but the producers continue maximising their profits. This is equivalent to “wear a mask to save granny”.
The Icelandverse will replace the Metaverse - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-peUrRUH218
My problem is that there are too many clever folk on either side of this debate, and that, ultimately, they'll serve profiteers, directly or indirectly. Surely its commonsense to be against pollution in our backyards, and against unnecessary consumerism globally? Climate deniers don't have to support toxic rivers, and climate activists don't have to deny essential energy needs.
Good comment but that dude in the video needs to beat Elon's ass already in the cage.
Good news, there's an associated video about the space rocketeers - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmOISr3k3y0
:)
LOL love it. We have Iceland on our list and Scotland then Norway on the same trip, but it's looking like that's a long way off at this point. I've been to Edinburgh but way before 9/11.
I can only afford to travel to Substack.
We have a serious social problem.
Well said, Mike. On issues of climate change and the debate around it, I appreciate the perspective outlined by Charles Eisenstein in his book, Climate: A New Story.
https://charleseisenstein.org/books/climate-a-new-story/
For a broader perspective on collapse (civilizational), check out The Long Descent by John Michael Greer or the condensed version in this essay: https://www.ecosophia.net/long-road-decline-deindustrial-future/
I have more books on my list and on my headphones than I could ever get through, but I have downloaded Eisentein's - thanks. I read Greer's excellent essay and the part that stands out for me, something that has long bugged me, is the gradual acceptance of declining health - societal and self. We normalise things to our detriment. Even the madness of politics is normal now. I see Greer has a sequel, 'Dark Age America'.
So many books, so little time. 😂🤷🏻♂️
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ1H3DcVsSE
Good stuff. Greer has an essay on the subject on his website. His perspectives on civilizational collapse helped to free me from the prison of catastrophizing climate change/disruption, reorienting me to personal sovereignty and agency. The question has always been for me, what do I do? Or, how do I live my life in response to the historical moment? Skill up and get resilient and love harder is the answer I come up with. Get free of depending on the larger, more distal systems. And pass it all on to the kids. A Wendell Berry sort of life.
I'll post an advertorial about him tomorrow.
Shagbark,
Your explanation of how you cope with the futility of "participation" within the commercial ecosystem mirrors my personal quandary about how to proceed in this life "against the grain" of societal madness. I'm finding that it's a daily practice of "going with the grain" of my/our better instincts which exist in obfuscated forms. Your comment is a succinct explanation of what I think a lot of folks are trying to articulate. I will remember it. Thank you Shagbark.
May a comment suggestion not fuck up my schedule like this again :)
https://mikehampton.substack.com/p/our-collapsing-civilisation
Check out Mattias Desmet’s article from today: https://open.substack.com/pub/mattiasdesmet/p/nobel-prize-winner-john-clauser-climate?r=drfbd&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post
Thanks. In line with my in between view, but said better than I could.
Hello Derailer of Threads!
Nothing against you, but here is a list of some of the methods you employ around the net so other's can learn to recognize how its done - as one can certainly learn a lot from your formulaic writing!
So, this is what i see as being your main tools, hope you don't mind that i share:
* Creating false equivalencies - For example, giving equal weight to climate deniers and activists can wrongly imply the scientific consensus on climate change is less established than it is.
* Supporting "both-sidesism" - Treating all positions as morally equivalent can muddle issues where one side has a stronger factual or ethical stance. Climate impact is measurable, whereas fears of activism may be exaggerated.
* Enabling concern trolling - A focus on civility and balance can be used as a tactic to subtly undermine policies for climate action.
* Promoting delay or inaction - Emphasizing complexity could potentially paralyze decision making, or be used as a rationale for avoiding hard choices needed to address climate change.
* Diluting clearly-defined positions - Appeals for nuance may introduce ambiguity, allow drift to less committed stances, and undermine activists calling for definitive action.
Note .. I'm as annoyed with the fear-control mechanism as our host, keep that in mind as you read to understand the methods through the hypotheticals/examples herein.
I assume you copy and paste the same speech on comment sections everywhere. Derailer indeed, starting with the false assumption of my beliefs and intentions.
Actually, no, i don't. I've just run a bunch of your posts through my software to base my comments on observable fact. I made no inferences about you as a person, your beliefs or your intentions ..and i won't be derailed by your play at emotion.
Which .. may i point out .. is different, practically and ethically from attempting to make an ass-(out of)u(and)-me by escalation to ad hominy.
Thanks for being true to yourself. You showed much more that I thought you would and maybe other people will notice how derailed things get when you show up.
Hell, you're funny. Clever trolls are no different to dumb ones.
Notice how many things come wrapped in plastic? And how come we need to buy water in bottles because tap water is no longer drinkable? What fraction of what was given to Ukraine would clean up the water supply in the US and the EU?
The onus (worry?) has been put on the consumer but the producers continue maximising their profits. This is equivalent to “wear a mask to save granny”.