Fair enough. But I used the word just once in obviously playful shorthand. Are you so afraid of the word that it cannot be used even in jest? That said, and more seriously, I do believe that many of the credit cabals now overlording western polities are in some sense satanists in that they worship at the altar of reductionist materialism, which ends up valuing power and wealth over virtue and good character. So although playful, it was also meant sincerely. One of the sub-meanings of Satanic is 'demonic, having to do with the power of evil'. So I stand by it as a partly-playful moniker, and reject your overly humorless, pompous and 'huffy' judgment from on high!!!
Well, you were interested enough in my initial comment to object to the use of the word 'satanists'. That article by the Vagano popped up yesterday in a news feed. Seriously, I think your moniker 'Huffy' suits your style and you should lean into it! Your comment about mine was huffy! And you last one about 'what doesn't interest me' is also huffy. It's actually not a bad angle! All best.
not all centrist have "common sense" though, Bidens war in Ukraine is about corrupt as can be as is the accompanying mass media lies, it has for sure a fanatical crusade element to it "Democracy Vs Autocracy" yet the strongest take up of that has been in the "centre".
Maybe. Most Trump voters are in the middle though always described as 'far right'. Most don't like the whole Ukraine business even though corporate Fox News pushes it all the time. Candidates like Pence and Haley pushing it won't get anywhere. I bet most moderate Dem voters don't like it either even though their media of choice also drum beats it 24/7. Even those who do support it do so mainly because they have been told that is the reasonable approach. If they were given a clear, sober, accurate presentation lasting 15 minutes, they could easily be persuaded to change their mind. (Though we'll never know!)
Just call it the Cultural Left or the Woke Left, and you'll be fine, my boy.
As you note, a lot of us on the Left despise the Cultural Left as much as you all do. For these Left dissenters, you may call us the Anti-Woke Left, Alternative Left or Alt Left, Economic Reductionist Left, Anti-Identity Politics Left or anti-Id Pol Left, Socially Conservative Left, etc.
Classical liberals tend to be on the Right because that's a rightwing form of economics. In this sense of Liberalism (Classical Liberalism), the politics advocates "freedom in all things" - economic freedom, political freedom, and freedom of civil rights. They tend to be suspicious of big governments of any type. "Neoliberal" economics is actually rightwing or conservative economics.
The problem is that this is confused with "liberal Democrats," a term that refers to a certain type of somewhat leftwing US politics called "social liberalism." This is the politics of liberal Democrats here in the US. This social liberalism is not found anywhere else, although Canada has something resembling it that is further to the Left. In both the US and Canada, this means a politics that is left of center yet stops short of actual social democracy. Sort of the middle ground between social democracy and centrism.
I know. It's completely confused, isn't it?
I'm quite happy that you don't see yourself as on the Right.
You did a good job. But, yes, it is completely confused. So much so that left and right need to be abandoned. Their day is done. We need new vocabulary.
Maybe the simplest is: Common Sense Centrists versus Politicized Extremists, or simply Centrists versus Extremists.
In the US right now, for example, if a common sense centrist third party were to emerge free from the partisan rancor of the current paradigm, then most reasonable people on both 'right' and 'left' would easily find common cause in throwing out the oligarchy-kleptocracy - or whatever it is.
One thing I liked about this essay was his advocacy of Right-Left alliances. He also opposed purity tests.
Sure, a lot people here don't like the Left for a lot of reasons, but some of us are with the Right on certain things! Let's make Right-Left alliances on everything we agree on and try not to discuss the things we differ on. There's strength in numbers. Whatever increases our numbers improves us, whatever diminishes them harms us.
Purity tests are also ridiculous. If you're Left on 90 things and Right on 10 things (90% Left) you are literally tossed out of the Left on your ass and ORDERED to go join the Opposition. This makes no sense. The Left like anyone else needs every vote it can get. I get thrown out of every Left forum I join though I'm 82% Left at last count. The 18% Right means I'm on the Right! Did these idiots flunk math class?
For a long time I believed them, and I kept cruising around looking at all sorts of rightwing, conservative, and even fascist (because they called me that all the time) politics that I could identify with. Turns out I couldn't find one rightwing politics that didn't want to make me heave in terms of identifying with it. I'm simply a man of the Left. But now I'm politically homeless because my comrades have tossed me out of the house with only the shirt on my back!
I also want to say that you guys on the Right are a Hell of a lot nicer to me that people on the Left are. I disagree with the Right on so many things, yet most of you are kind, and it seems you are grabbing any alliance you can. This is odd because I was told that you guys are the evil mean ones. Turns out that's not true. The people on the Left are as mean as snakes! The nice people are on the Right. I don't want them running things, but they sure are nice!
I'm a bit late to this party, but what points specifically do you disagree with when it comes to people on the 'Right'? I'm extremely curious to hear them.
Why put in quotes? I'm a bit of a social conservative. That's where we align to some extent. Also I'm against all this abolish the police and too lax enforcement of theft laws in our cities. I'm completely against illegal aliens and I want heavy restrictions on legal immigration. I support Russia in this war.
Other than that though, I'm on the Left. Hard Left actually.
I put the 'Right' in quotes because I think the binary choice between being either on the 'Right' or the Left is garbage. I'm not denying the Left or Right exist, I just don't see why I have to submit to simplistic categories designed to limit political discourse. I'm always disappointed when conservatives and traditionalists affirm them by allowing themselves to be defined as being on the 'Right'. If you're on the 'Hard Left', which Left is that? Seems the Left is quite fragmented these days, just as much as the so called right. I am seeing a resurgence of old Marxist types getting into social justice critique based on economics rather than the cultural nonsense. Anti-Western Imperialism etc - that sort of person. But I can't see them being relevant and coming out from the wilderness until they put down the cultural/identitarian weirdos. How are more 'traditional' Leftists going to achieve that since the ghey/femo/tranny/racially oppressed weirdos dominating the mainstream left have corporate sponsorship and the full support of the political class? Since when can Leftists, whether hard, moderate or whatever, be social conservatives when according to Leftist ideology society is supposed to be subjected to continuous revolutionary change? If you're socially conservative then there's no social change. Not Leftist activist change anyway. How can you be a 'Hard Leftist' since Leftist ideology is predicated on activist social revolution? What other kind of revolution is there but the social?
"I put the 'Right' in quotes because I think the binary choice between being either on the 'Right' or the Left is garbage."
You say that but you will never vote for anyone on the Left.
"I am seeing a resurgence of old Marxist types getting into social justice critique based on economics rather than the cultural nonsense. Anti-Western Imperialism etc - that sort of person."
They're very important elsewhere in the world. That's me in a nutshell.
"But I can't see them being relevant and coming out from the wilderness until they put down the cultural/identitarian weirdos."
No one on the Left is going anywhere in US society. That SJW bullshit you call the Left isn't even leftwing. We call it "the Fake Left." It's not solving any of the important problems that the Left wants to deal with. Also people like this are in power in Russia, China, a lot of Africa, Nicaragua, Belarus, Tunisia, Syria, Iraq, much of the Sahel, etc. They were in power in Peru, Yemen and some other places. The Pink Tide in Latin America was not like this. Economic left, social right is a typical alignment in much of the world.
"How are more 'traditional' Leftists going to achieve that since the ghey/femo/tranny/racially oppressed weirdos dominating the mainstream left have corporate sponsorship and the full support of the political class?"
We're not going anywhere anyway, either with the Cultural Left or without it. There is no Left in the US. Even the social democrats in the US are the worst sellouts! The antifa are all supporting the Nazis in Ukraine. Every left person in the Congress is supporting the Nazis. The entire "progressive Left" (really just liberals) is with the Nazis. The cultural bullshit is not a viable Left, nor is it Left at all. It's not going to solve or even deal with any of these cultural questions except by getting rid of competent people in favor of mediocrities. We don't think there is "systemic racism" in the US. Homophobia is not so important anymore. Women are practically ruling us men, not the other way around. So these aren't even important questions anymore!
What you call the Left in the US is nothing of the sort. And the Squad may as well just be liberals because that's what they act like.
LIfe in politics is not about achieving goals. If that were the case, I would have sold out long ago like everyone else. Life in politics is about fighting for the cause you believe in come Hell or high water.
Also in answer to your question, there are more of us than you think. A whole section of the feminist movement has turned on the trannies and on "Queer culture" in general.
"Since when can Leftists, whether hard, moderate or whatever, be social conservatives when according to Leftist ideology society is supposed to be subjected to continuous revolutionary change?"
It isn't. We don't believe in change for change sake and neither does most of the Left in the world. Most official Communist Parties, even those in power, don't agree with that. Further, existing CP's in a lot of places are fairly socially conservative. Look at the KPRF in Russia and the CCP in China. This malformation is just a distortion of the Western Left, mostly the West in the Left. Even the French Left doesn't like this bullshit!
If you're socially conservative then there's no social change.
We don't all want endless social change. Most of the existing Communist countries were socially conservative so according to you, they were not on the Left! Anyway, I'm a social conservative! I'm not left on culture, so the question is irrelevant. I'm 82% Left and 18% Right and as much as the Left has abused me, I am still a man of the Left. I hate rightists, Republicans, and conservatism in general. I've looked all over the US and the world and I can't see any conservatism I could support except maybe Putinism.
"How can you be a 'Hard Leftist' since Leftist ideology is predicated on activist social revolution?"
Easy. I'm hard Left on economics. That's the only important thing really. All the rest is bullshit. Anyway I'm to the left of the Republican Party on social stuff and to the right of the Left idiots. How can I? Real simple. I am not a liberal, progressive, or even social democrat, so I'm further to the Left than that. I've been told I'm not a communist so I'm probably just a socialist. The governments I most admire - China, Eritrea, Venezuela, Bolivia, Brazil, Honduras, the Sahel, the Houthis, Iran, Belarus, Russia, Vietnam, Laos, are all considered Leftist.
Basically I hate everyone to the right of me and no one to the left.
"What other kind of revolution is there but the social?"
Simple. Economics! Economics is everything anyway. In a lot of those societies I listed, there remains a lot of work to be done, especially on the position of gays and women. Social liberation involves the liberation of the gays, even trannies, Indians, indigenous, Blacks, women, etc. Liberation just means equal rights. That's social liberation right there. Once you achieve that, there's nothing more to do. I even think that women and even Blacks are still somewhat oppressed even here in the US. Of course Whites and men are oppressed too. We fight for the liberation of everyone, Whites, Blacks, men, women, no limits.
Any political or cultural thinking that doesn't promote the individual over the group is right-wing. To reduce the individual to nothing more than part of an homogeneous group in western societyis going to need Big Gubmint solutions enforced with plenty of law-fare violence.
Oh! Well, the MAGA Right is pretty much Far Right. I suppose the never-Trumpers might be the Right?
I agree with you though. Ever since Reagan, the Right has always been the Far Right. At some point, I'm not sure it makes sense.
The normative Right, the typical Republican voter, ought to just be the Right, correct? Far Right should probably always mean a fringe? It depends whether you think Far Right could ever be the center or if you think it always has to be a fringe.
Conservative/Right. Wants to freeze all change and keep things the way they are or at least go slow with change.
Reaction/Reactionary/Far Right: Wants "backwards change" - that is, wants to go back to the glory days of how things used to be. Now I'm Hard Left but on culture, I'm a reactionary because I want to roll back the Cultural Left to the 1996 Democratic Convention LOL. I was with the Cultural Left for some time, but finally the crazy train just got too nutty for me and started going off the rails, and this is when I decided I wanted off. Since then it's careened off into the distance headed over some cliff. So you see rollback isn't always a bad thing. The MAGA's are definitely reactionaries. See that slogan: Make America Great Again? Rollback. Back to the glory days of old. This can also be a fascist project.
Fascism: This is literally a "conservative revolution," same as Communism is a Left revolution. It's "revolutionary conservatism" or the "revolutionary Right." As it is the mirror image of communism, yes, in some ways, they do resemble each other. Fascism often wants a blood and soil revolution, and reifies the glorious past, national myths, national creation myths, etc.. For instance, Mussolini always referenced Rome. He was going to literally rebuild the Roman Empire!
It rises in reaction to a left that has gone too far or threatens to take over, often in a period of excess and decadence. Fascists equate the decay with too much democracy and promise an authoritarian solution. They also worship hierarchy, but all conservatives do. Fascism is also panengetic - that is, it represents the mythical Phoenix bird that rises from the ashes of its flames to fly again. The ashes represent the decadent present which the fascists with eliminate so the glorious culture of old can unfold again.
As MAGA folks don't seem to believe in democracy anymore and seem to be pursuing an authoritarian Right project or "permanent Republican state," people argue that MAGA is a fascist movement. In a sense, all rightwing authoritarianism might be seen as fascist, though it typically doesn't mirror Mussolinism.
The way I describe our current predicament is with a phrase I coined, viz. "Farxism" i.e. an unholy alliance between (Economic) Fascism (seen with Big Corporation uniting with Big Government against the best interests of hoi polloi) and (Social) Marxism (seen with the ruthless, and never-ending, assault on the values and norms of Western society).
To reference some well known quotes, with my additional commentary:
"Bad things happens when good people do nothing."
-The Bystander Effect seems to have taken hold over too many good people, thus leaving bad people to rule the roost.
"Hard times make hard men. Hard men make good times. Good times make soft men. Soft men make hard times. Hard times make hard men..."
-I fear we are on the brink of hard times that will take the passing of a generation or two before the return of a sufficient number of hard men to restore good times.
"I fear we are on the brink of hard times that will take the passing of a generation or two before the return of a sufficient number of hard men to restore good times."
Thanks to the clot shots the hard men just need to wait for the attrition of the weak. The hard men that resisted are a minority now.
The weak complied and will be dead or ill for the rest of their lives, and then they will be the minority.
IDENTITY POLITICS is a powerful tool for the Left as Blacks, Hispanics, Hippies, women, (and the Irish) all consider themselves to be oppressed and like to whine about it. And I think even in the recent past they have gotten the worst of state treatment. But it is funny that the same set of white guys telling them this in order to get them to keep them in power, but that is just deception at work. I think the justification of pedophilia and gender weirdness are outliers which will pass when they count all the burned up kids in the Hawaii fire. The Libertarian (my preferred term for individual freedom from the deep state) and the WOKE live in two different information spaces, and I have never seen more censorship in my life. It's a Brave New World. The generals think wars are won in people's minds, not on the battle field. The Left and Right have two different stories. But some day that Ukraine winning story will collapse. Or the Blacks, Hispanics, and Irish will figure out it is really the WOKEs, and the jabs, and the generals who are oppressing them - and wait until they have to raise taxes and cut social security to pay for the war.
I know that many people like to talk about Social or Cultural Marxism, but I think it's more appropriate to just leave the "Marxism" part off, as it's a misnomer. "Entartete" Fascism or Woke Fascism is much clearer -- apart from the fact that the term Fascism is not properly understood by most. Woke Corporocracy perhaps then?
The culture war is driven by the elites to divide and conquer the majority, keeping them away from pointing at the ownership class as the real problem. Most of the politicians espousing culture war are utter hypocrites when it comes to their own families and friends. Like Ellen and the Obamas happily chatting and interacting with GWB. Biden being best buddies with the most racist and misogynist SOB in Congress. If the governor of Florida's daughter got pregnant at 16 she would go on a "vacation" to Paris and come back not pregnant like in the old days. The "identity politics" ramped up right after Occupy Wall Street to take the focus off the 1%. Both elite sides are fully neoliberal, fully Empire and fully Zionist. And a lot of them on both sides are utterly depraved human beings.
The culture wars are simply a distraction, an emotional quicksand, for the innumerant masses...”The "identity politics" ramped up right after Occupy Wall Street to take the focus off the 1%.”.....The money thing.....finances, the economy, natural resources, Human Resources, wealth, the distribution of wealth/ resources and here we are back to “politics”...is it as simple as divide and conquer?! Can anyone defend any ideology without ‘painting themselves into a corner’? Did Rodney King ask the penultimate question?
I agree with this. The culture war has gone to a very dark and terrible place. I used to be fairly pacifist, and held certain principles about various subjects. Now, when I see these kids on X(Twitter) being trans-ed by their parents and doctors, the only thing that comes to mind is a trial & a firing squad post haste
There is a line as thick as an oak between what you're saying - which is a biological reality - and what is happening on the cultural side with the trans movement
What is so frightening about the "trans movement", which barely exists in much of history and the non-western world?
1) While recognition of genders outside male and female has only recently been discussed in Western societies, so called “third gender” people have often been revered throughout South Asian history.
For example a) in Hindu society, people of non-binary gender expression have played important roles for over 2000 years. And b) Muslim rulers of the Mughal Empire in the 15th to 19th centuries were generous patrons of third gender Indians. Many rose to significant positions of power under both Hindu and Muslim rulers. In 2014, it was estimated that around 3 million third gender people live in India alone (out of a population 1,400 million = 0.2%).
And c) most academic work on gender in Indonesia shows that many cultures there have no strict gender construction of masculinity and femininity. Gender differences are viewed as a continuum rather than a dichotomy.
2) The bedrock argument you use to justify inflicting violence on a tiny minority for simply existing, that the concept of a “real women” and “family” are all under ferocious attack, on account of this tiny minority simply exitsing, is entirely counterfeit because biological sex in humans is non-binary according to the majority of global scientific opinion, which has known this fact since the topic was first studied. Also, about a third of trans people are “trans men” yet they are never identified as corrupting “real men” or “family” - why?
It is thus simply a recent 'Western' perceptions that a new ideology has 'suddenly' appeared claiming sex and gender in humans is non-binary rendering your whinging, bulling, and incitement to violence, utterly bogus, as is the false counter argument that such violence is justified by promoting the false narrative that sex in humans is rigidly binary.
And there is the morphological fact that of the 140 million babies born last year, at least 280,000 did not fit into a clear penis versus labia model of sex determination. In other words you can't properly define if a person is a “real woman” or not by their external genital shape.
3) The "cultural side with the trans movement" is thus simply aimed at shining a light on the above facts about human biology AND global cultural practices both historical and contemporary, which when studied honestly, reveal it is the 'Western' 20% of global population is the outlier in stoking violence - as you do in your comment here - against a tiny minority of humans, assuming they have such great powers to somehow destroy "normal society" / "normal people" / "normal folk" (quoting from the original article).
4) Finally, if you were really concerned about children's welfare you'd be advocating for fresh water for EVERYBODY GLOBALLY since without water, guess what? Children die c/w whinging about a handful of otherwise harmless trannies, (who do virtually no harm or killing): according to the Global Burden of Disease study 1.2 million people died prematurely in 2017 as a result of unsafe water. To put this into context: this was three times the number of homicides in 2017; and equal to the number that died in road accidents globally. In low-income countries unsafe water sources account for 6% of deaths.
And almost one-in-ten people in the world do not get enough to eat: the share of children younger than five years old that are defined as 'wasted' - when a child’s weight is significantly lower than the average for their height, for example, because of acute food shortage or disease globally is 6.69% .
A lot of what you're describing in history is how societies have integrated or accounted for people who have displayed biological ambiguities, in the incidence rate of 0.2% +/- which again squares with the data currently in publication
Actual trans people - with dysmorphia - someone who truly believes he or she is of the other gender is someone with a mental illness, the same as someone who is bipolar or schizophrenic. I am not advocating violence against anyone like that, if anything all people deserve compassion and to be tolerated and treated when necessary.
The trans movement is not this, not by a long shot. Current polling shows people identifying as trans to be up in the higj single digits as a %. This is clear evidence of social contagion, of a 'movement' if you will, occuring at an incidence rate 20x or 50x the historical mean.
Cutting off a 10 year old boys penis, butchering a little girls forearm and sticking it to her crotch, I will never, ever accept or tolerate this insanity, this crime against humanity. And neither should you.
Who are you to dive into people's heads, cut them up into your own made up categories "someone with a mental illness" or not, and tell them who and what they are, or are not?
"Cutting off a 10 year old boys penis" is utter and total made up bull shit. And judging by the measured response you now offer us here, you know damn well its bull shit. So don't try and project onto me, suggesting that somehow by default I would support such actions, simply because I challenge your words here.
If you are genuinely worried about "crime[s] against humanity" then SHOUT about the almost one-in-ten people in the world do not get enough to eat: the share of children younger than five years old that are defined as 'wasted' - when a child’s weight is significantly lower than the average for their height, for example, because of acute food shortage or disease globally is 6.69% .
You wrote: "trial & a firing squad post haste" which is ignorant violence no matter how you want to now deny it.
The "social contagion" you use to deflect from real concerns about global welfare of children, is manufactured as a tool to divide and rule, and its worked very well on you judging by your rhetoric here.
1) The “LGBT offensive” has recently been weaponised on purpose by the imperial western empire's so called elites as a tool to divide and thereby divert people's attention away from their constant war-mongering and lying. It seems this irrational ignorant 'made-in-the-West' fear mongering is spreading into Hungary and Russia too now. Asian countries have thousands of years of history that insulates them from such ugly divisive propaganda (see details below).
2) There is no doubt that identity politics is a powerful tool indeed to divide people who are brain washed into anti-scientific beliefs systems that sex in humans can only ever be rigidly binary, when it it not (see details in my other comments above).
The western empire's so called elites are actively and successfully perverting the global working class from seeing themselves as a member of the working class with the concomitant class-based concerns about wages, health care, housing costs, etc., which had unified their class in the past through unions and political activism, into seeing themselves as belonging to separate and atomized tribal group identities based on race, ethnicity, sexuality, and gender. Divide and conquer is the idea behind corporate support for Identity Politics.
Identity politics also promotes the idea that all you have to do to be a good person is to say that you support all the various racial, ethnic, sexual, and gender tribal agendas. Being an “ally” is all it takes to be considered a member of good standing from the new progressive world view. A corporation may have terrible policies against unions, workers health and safety, and workers rights in general, but now they can be given a pass by the liberal new progressives by simply being “an ally” to the various identity groups.
Child mutilation as "gender affirming care" is not made up bullshit. It is very real. Now, perhaps this is my generation's abortion or something, and if so, so be it, I am happy to be a single issue voter on the matter. I am happy that various states in the US, countries in the EU, and countless nations around the world have outright banned the practice (of mutilation).
As for mental illness, we have as societies categorized people. We have created definitions for sets of behavior and mental states and given them names, countless names. Perhaps there is no such thing, but the salient point I was making was that people can be sick in the head in different ways and it is no reason to ostracize them.
Conflating the suffering of children in the world with concern for mutilating children is... strange? Like some sort of purity test? Setting aside that its a rather infantile way to make an argument; You have no idea who you're talking to. You don't know if I'm working class, middle class, or elite. You don't know if I'm American, European, Asian or African. You don't know if I donate time, money, or both. I have no idea who you are and I don't want to know, but I'm not about to start making assumptions about you.
As for the "Rainbow ideology" of the West as you described - you're right, the rest of the world is utterly recoiling in disgust and shock at what is being peddled out of DC, London, Ottawa, Brussels, and Sydney, and fortifying their societies to ensure this social poison never finds its way into the minds of their most vulnerable. Putin himself spoke of this on occasion when he was articulating how the West has lost its way. So has Orban. And so have many leaders all over the world. Thank you for making my point.
This has been an interesting exchange, but its run its course I think. Feel free to respond if you have more to say but I won't be responding further.
I find myself asking over the past year and more...is this one of those “When in the course of human events...” moments in history? If not, when? What would it have to be, and what would the relative positions of the parties be at a later date?Interesting to read the Declaration again if you haven’t lately.
I also ask, trying to back away from that tree of liberty notion: will I ever really be able to renew the friendships suspended over the past four years? many of them decades or even life long but now seemingly poisoned? Can we somehow forestall a nasty divorce, and live together however coldly and guardedly, as it were, for the sake of the children (itself most agree a misguided motivation anyway)?
A past professor of mine, Carroll Quigley, argued that there really shouldn’t be (and wasn’t) all that much real difference between Rs and Ds since the American society as a whole held a common set of values reflected 90% at the base of both parties. The purpose of the two party system was merely to control corruption and periodically clean off the hull and throw the bastards out. We are as you point out here dramatically way past that now.
I am reminded of a tee shirt promoting a boxing club on the front, but on the back, before you knew that, was the simple sentence that recurs to me a lot... “Fighting solves everything”.
Ah yes, but R’s and D’s are the same today! Not the people but the politicians. They only fight for the elites and themselves, the useless eaters need to fend for themselves.
Lindsay Graham, Mitch McConnell, Dan Crenshaw, Kevin McCarthy🤢🤑(as I puke when I say his name) Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer and the likes of them are ALL ON THE SAME PAGE! VOTE FOR WHAT IS BEST FOR ME! Treason is their main game.
Well said. The whole purpose of the R's and D's is to split the Center, aka We The People, rendering them entirely ineffective in the political process.
"California Democrats Block Bill to Make Child Sex Trafficking a Serious Felony"
This has got to be fake news. I believe that in California, all statutory rape of 14-17 year olds by men up to ten years older than each year is classed as a misdemeanor instead of a felony.
24 year old man commits statutory rape of 14 year old girl: Misdemeanor.
25+ year old man commits statutory rape of 14 year old girl: Felony
25 year old man commits statutory rape of 15 year old girl: Misdemeanor.
26+ year old man commits statutory rape of 15 year old girl: Felony
26 year old man commits statutory rape of 16 year old girl: Misdemeanor.
27+ year old man commits statutory rape of 16 year old girl: Felony
27 year old man commits statutory rape of 17 year old girl: Misdemeanor.
28+ year old man commits statutory rape of 17 year old girl: Felony
I think that's how it works. Nevertheless, this 10 or less year age difference break that men got was not extended to gay men having sex with teenage boys. All the Legislature did was equalize the penalties for gays and straights. This was played up all across the rightwing media as "California Democrats support homosexual pedophilia and sex trafficking! BS as you can see.
If you read the articles you linked to, no one on the Left in those articles is defending "pedophilia" or "child sex trafficking."
It's simply not true that people on the Left generally defend "pedophilia," although it doesn't matter if you defend or oppose it, as pedophilia and being a pedophile is 100% legal everywhere on Earth! It's simply a way of thinking or a person who thinks in a particular way. It's not illegal until you act on these urges, at which time you commit the crime of Child Molestation and become a person known as a child molester.
Now, child molestation is an actual act and child molesters are people that committed a crime, and you can of course support or oppose the crime or offender in a meaningful sense.
"Child sex trafficking" is a fake term for what really should be called "Prostitution by a Minor." "Trafficking" itself is a BS word for what has always been called "pimping." Got a pimp? Congratulations, you're now being "trafficked!" Also all teenage prostitutes, even those in business for themselves, are automatically being "trafficked." Self employed teen prostitutes are literally "trafficking" themselves! Dumb or what?
No one on the Left or Right supports minors being prostitutes. I'm not aware of one person on Earth promoting that position.
Neither the Right nor the Left supports or defends child molestation, so it's a moot issue. There are a few outliers, mostly pedophiles, who support it, but they're not necessarily left or right.
Bottom line: Every time you see those idiot words "pedophilia" or "pedophile," just substitute "child molestation" or "child molester respectively.
Now you do that and you can finally talk about this issue and make sense at the same time.
The difference between communism and fascism is that the latter does not own the means of production but has control over the private sector and therefore controls the means of production. Trotsky and Lenin advocated for World Revolution while Mussolini’s fascism centered around the Nation. (Stalin’s communism later did as well).
Both systems shun religion and the family unit and place the state as the center of total control over people’s lives. Both implement social domestic policies based on Marxism. Fascism is imperialist while communism seeks to spread by revolution.
Both systems are totalitarian in nature and oppose classical liberalism which is based on civil liberties, limited government and peaceful coexistence with other nations.
I think today’s Left is a self serving racket that is under the the thumb of the military industrial complex and big pharma on whom they depend on mostly for their campaign contributions. Their corporatist policies undermine the population but keep their voters interested by pushing divisive cultural marxist ideology that are harmful to the social cohesion of the nation state.
What’s called the Far Right are the remnants of classical liberalism on the fringes of the otherwise gutless Right.
Take the whole transgender and total equality of men and women for instance. After the Russian Revolution Trotsky promoted these ideals heavily until Lenin finally put an end to it. But you’re right maybe we should call it Trotskyism instead of the Cultural Marxism.
To your other point what private industry is there in a purely communist economy?
They did not - The SA Brown Shirts were in fact degenerate sexual deviants that held orgies when they weren’t terrorizing Jewish Businesses and beating up Communists.
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Many see moral principles as stemming from organized religion, however one might argue that they are simply our innate higher values, religions are simply stating the obvious. In this religion serves a useful purpose of steering waverers onto a better path. These culture wars are interesting (if not aggravating) as it demonstrates power brokers in society trying to create a collapse in moral vales, the real question is why though we can of course guess at some kind of "new" system of control.
Agree with you about the left label and its convenience. I voted NO as while the new left control the media, the money and the politicians there will be no easy victory. Victory there will be in time as few really want to live out a Sodom & Gomorrah fantasy of depravation while ensconced in an oppressive feudal society, even many that think they do will eventually be disgusted.
Been away from the West for a while but heading back soon, my belief system won't go over well, I can't be cancelled as not on social, but new laws are constantly emerging to fine or jail you for challenging the paradigm or irrationality. We shall see.
"Who Debunked Pizzagate Pleads Guilty to Child Rape."
More fake news! Regardless of whatever else he did, this man never raped a soul!
He's accused of:
Possession of child porn, including some of the worst kind. Merely possession of child porn does not constitute rape of one person ever.
Enticing some girls (probably teenagers) to take their clothes off on cam and send him nudes of pics of them masturbating. Men who get girls to send them sexually explicit photos of themselves do not rape a single person by doing so.
Where's the child rape? There isn't any!
Also, 40 years even for possessing CP is a ridiculous charge. I would say that in most cases, possessing child porn should have a maximum sentence of 10 years in prison. Our sentencing guidelines are ridiculously excessive.
I propose the classification for these ideological cannon fodder be "Loftists". Bear with me, we're only swapping out one letter, so I'll hit it and quit it quickly. One of the main propellants of this politicult is the myth of "permanent growth" , for without that myth intact the ideological mob would stall, as if it we're an ICE without gas. Hence, "we will fly forever, lofting over flyover country...hahah" , you get the gist. The foot soldiers hum along - as "street level' flyers, eventually committing some cheap kamikaze act - if they "really mean it". Cheers!
Because the writer doesn't come from an overtly Christian perspective, he can never plumb the depths of real evil, which are directly associated with the aboriginal purveyor of all evil; nor does he acknowledge the chosen people who are his footsoldiers, and whose Frankfurt School societal deconstruction ideology is foursquare behind everything we see now coming to fruition, as was always the intention.
Mankind's fallen and evil nature must have its full and unhindered expression, before the end comes, and righteousness is restored upon the earth.
"Only he that hinders will continue to hinder, until he be taken out of the way."
We are now entering the final phase of our existence, as was prophesied "from the beginning."
You're right, he's not as unhinged as a "True Believer"(tm).
I suppose it's never occured to you that *EVERYTHING* has gone WRONG since Christianity was enforced by the sword?
Of course not, you only know what you know, and what you know has been carefully circumscribed by centuries of Thought Police.
BTW, when prophet Jesus said "Until the end of the Aeon", he meant the age of pisces, his fishermen and personal symbol. Now we are in aquarius, with a different symbol. And lo, you are still alive.
And it is the too-loudly "Christian" nations who have brought us to this doom we face.
Orthodox Christianity is quite different to Roman/Protestant Christianity, and at least from outside looks closer to its Pagan roots. They avoided putting Shamans ("Witches") on trial fx, let alone execute them.
I'm not saying Orthodox Christianity is the "One True Faith", like all monotheism it focuses upon the Ego, either exalting or rejecting it.
As much as every human MUST have a belief system ("Religion"), I see no point and little benefit (Except for social life) in getting attached to any of them. That is like saying "I love Drek so much I'll never read Dune or watch SW".
Next time I bump into a Hassi on a London street I'll make sure to ask them to get rid of Clinton for me. I can guess, with your attitude, that with enough of that "time", I could also request the same from any women, Blacks, non-Whites, Teh Gays, Libtards, Wokeists etc I randomly pass in the street.
ANYONE, except the generally rich white, nominally-"Christian" men who actually pull most of the strings. Realistically.
What question? You mean about Ukraine? I assumed that was rhetorical.
So i could wait for you to respond again - showing you NEVER read the comments in Simplicious's Ukraine War Blog - or just save us both the time and say I think a hostile country building biological WMDs in a neighbouring country while slaughtering thousands of civilians whose only "crime" was not accepting a foreign-backed fascist-coup in their country most definitely adds up to a "provocation" of the highest degree.
I have seen one or two of his shows in passing, but don't recall what they were on specifically.
No, this is a slow genesis of picking up clues decade by decade. Oddly, it's almst certainly the only World Religion about which i know next to nothing, and that is a very strange thing for someone who was already digging around in Crowley/Taoism/Buddhism/Paganism as a late teen - pre-Internet.
Such gaps appear to my mind to have been quite socially/politically deliberate.
And yet I STILL haven't dropped into and looked into that specific religion with any effort.
Mainly because I simply can't stand Xianity after experiencing it through Cathlicism and Protestantism in childhood, and the general behaviour, willful-stupidity, grotesque-ignorance, and frankly arrogance-based-on-nothing of Xian adults in general - with a few notable exceptions to that rule.
The only religious faith I despise more is Atheism, personally.
'...I simply can't stand Xianity after experiencing it through Cathlicism and Protestantism in childhood, and the general behaviour, willful-stupidity, grotesque-ignorance, and frankly arrogance...'
Completely understandable. My experience in the Protestant Church was awful. But as you mentioned there were notable exceptions. I converted to Orthodoxy about two years ago. Its like swapping a clapped out Hyundia for a Mclaren. It's not like the Orthodox Church is free from problems. Some of them are horrendous. The difference is all of these are obvious departures from Church tradition.
Pagan societies were hellholes of depravity and poverty beyond your most fevered imaginations. Among other things, pagan conversion by sword was hardly unknown, including during the 20th century.
Anyone who thinks Christianity is the origin of the human problem is way too stupid to talk to. And I’m not even a Christian.
Re: 2 Sides
How about:
Common Sense Centrists, aka Ordinary Folk
vs
Partisan Maniacs enslaved to Globocap Satanists?
Fair enough. But I used the word just once in obviously playful shorthand. Are you so afraid of the word that it cannot be used even in jest? That said, and more seriously, I do believe that many of the credit cabals now overlording western polities are in some sense satanists in that they worship at the altar of reductionist materialism, which ends up valuing power and wealth over virtue and good character. So although playful, it was also meant sincerely. One of the sub-meanings of Satanic is 'demonic, having to do with the power of evil'. So I stand by it as a partly-playful moniker, and reject your overly humorless, pompous and 'huffy' judgment from on high!!!
Try this one on. By a serious man. Who does use the term. And rightly so!
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archbishop-vigano-globalism-is-satanic-preparation-for-the-rise-of-the-antichrist/
Well, you were interested enough in my initial comment to object to the use of the word 'satanists'. That article by the Vagano popped up yesterday in a news feed. Seriously, I think your moniker 'Huffy' suits your style and you should lean into it! Your comment about mine was huffy! And you last one about 'what doesn't interest me' is also huffy. It's actually not a bad angle! All best.
not all centrist have "common sense" though, Bidens war in Ukraine is about corrupt as can be as is the accompanying mass media lies, it has for sure a fanatical crusade element to it "Democracy Vs Autocracy" yet the strongest take up of that has been in the "centre".
Maybe. Most Trump voters are in the middle though always described as 'far right'. Most don't like the whole Ukraine business even though corporate Fox News pushes it all the time. Candidates like Pence and Haley pushing it won't get anywhere. I bet most moderate Dem voters don't like it either even though their media of choice also drum beats it 24/7. Even those who do support it do so mainly because they have been told that is the reasonable approach. If they were given a clear, sober, accurate presentation lasting 15 minutes, they could easily be persuaded to change their mind. (Though we'll never know!)
Paul Simplicius Watson
Just call it the Cultural Left or the Woke Left, and you'll be fine, my boy.
As you note, a lot of us on the Left despise the Cultural Left as much as you all do. For these Left dissenters, you may call us the Anti-Woke Left, Alternative Left or Alt Left, Economic Reductionist Left, Anti-Identity Politics Left or anti-Id Pol Left, Socially Conservative Left, etc.
Classical liberals tend to be on the Right because that's a rightwing form of economics. In this sense of Liberalism (Classical Liberalism), the politics advocates "freedom in all things" - economic freedom, political freedom, and freedom of civil rights. They tend to be suspicious of big governments of any type. "Neoliberal" economics is actually rightwing or conservative economics.
The problem is that this is confused with "liberal Democrats," a term that refers to a certain type of somewhat leftwing US politics called "social liberalism." This is the politics of liberal Democrats here in the US. This social liberalism is not found anywhere else, although Canada has something resembling it that is further to the Left. In both the US and Canada, this means a politics that is left of center yet stops short of actual social democracy. Sort of the middle ground between social democracy and centrism.
I know. It's completely confused, isn't it?
I'm quite happy that you don't see yourself as on the Right.
You did a good job. But, yes, it is completely confused. So much so that left and right need to be abandoned. Their day is done. We need new vocabulary.
Maybe the simplest is: Common Sense Centrists versus Politicized Extremists, or simply Centrists versus Extremists.
In the US right now, for example, if a common sense centrist third party were to emerge free from the partisan rancor of the current paradigm, then most reasonable people on both 'right' and 'left' would easily find common cause in throwing out the oligarchy-kleptocracy - or whatever it is.
One thing I liked about this essay was his advocacy of Right-Left alliances. He also opposed purity tests.
Sure, a lot people here don't like the Left for a lot of reasons, but some of us are with the Right on certain things! Let's make Right-Left alliances on everything we agree on and try not to discuss the things we differ on. There's strength in numbers. Whatever increases our numbers improves us, whatever diminishes them harms us.
Purity tests are also ridiculous. If you're Left on 90 things and Right on 10 things (90% Left) you are literally tossed out of the Left on your ass and ORDERED to go join the Opposition. This makes no sense. The Left like anyone else needs every vote it can get. I get thrown out of every Left forum I join though I'm 82% Left at last count. The 18% Right means I'm on the Right! Did these idiots flunk math class?
For a long time I believed them, and I kept cruising around looking at all sorts of rightwing, conservative, and even fascist (because they called me that all the time) politics that I could identify with. Turns out I couldn't find one rightwing politics that didn't want to make me heave in terms of identifying with it. I'm simply a man of the Left. But now I'm politically homeless because my comrades have tossed me out of the house with only the shirt on my back!
I also want to say that you guys on the Right are a Hell of a lot nicer to me that people on the Left are. I disagree with the Right on so many things, yet most of you are kind, and it seems you are grabbing any alliance you can. This is odd because I was told that you guys are the evil mean ones. Turns out that's not true. The people on the Left are as mean as snakes! The nice people are on the Right. I don't want them running things, but they sure are nice!
Very interesting comment, thank you.
I'm a bit late to this party, but what points specifically do you disagree with when it comes to people on the 'Right'? I'm extremely curious to hear them.
Why put in quotes? I'm a bit of a social conservative. That's where we align to some extent. Also I'm against all this abolish the police and too lax enforcement of theft laws in our cities. I'm completely against illegal aliens and I want heavy restrictions on legal immigration. I support Russia in this war.
Other than that though, I'm on the Left. Hard Left actually.
I put the 'Right' in quotes because I think the binary choice between being either on the 'Right' or the Left is garbage. I'm not denying the Left or Right exist, I just don't see why I have to submit to simplistic categories designed to limit political discourse. I'm always disappointed when conservatives and traditionalists affirm them by allowing themselves to be defined as being on the 'Right'. If you're on the 'Hard Left', which Left is that? Seems the Left is quite fragmented these days, just as much as the so called right. I am seeing a resurgence of old Marxist types getting into social justice critique based on economics rather than the cultural nonsense. Anti-Western Imperialism etc - that sort of person. But I can't see them being relevant and coming out from the wilderness until they put down the cultural/identitarian weirdos. How are more 'traditional' Leftists going to achieve that since the ghey/femo/tranny/racially oppressed weirdos dominating the mainstream left have corporate sponsorship and the full support of the political class? Since when can Leftists, whether hard, moderate or whatever, be social conservatives when according to Leftist ideology society is supposed to be subjected to continuous revolutionary change? If you're socially conservative then there's no social change. Not Leftist activist change anyway. How can you be a 'Hard Leftist' since Leftist ideology is predicated on activist social revolution? What other kind of revolution is there but the social?
"I put the 'Right' in quotes because I think the binary choice between being either on the 'Right' or the Left is garbage."
You say that but you will never vote for anyone on the Left.
"I am seeing a resurgence of old Marxist types getting into social justice critique based on economics rather than the cultural nonsense. Anti-Western Imperialism etc - that sort of person."
They're very important elsewhere in the world. That's me in a nutshell.
"But I can't see them being relevant and coming out from the wilderness until they put down the cultural/identitarian weirdos."
No one on the Left is going anywhere in US society. That SJW bullshit you call the Left isn't even leftwing. We call it "the Fake Left." It's not solving any of the important problems that the Left wants to deal with. Also people like this are in power in Russia, China, a lot of Africa, Nicaragua, Belarus, Tunisia, Syria, Iraq, much of the Sahel, etc. They were in power in Peru, Yemen and some other places. The Pink Tide in Latin America was not like this. Economic left, social right is a typical alignment in much of the world.
"How are more 'traditional' Leftists going to achieve that since the ghey/femo/tranny/racially oppressed weirdos dominating the mainstream left have corporate sponsorship and the full support of the political class?"
We're not going anywhere anyway, either with the Cultural Left or without it. There is no Left in the US. Even the social democrats in the US are the worst sellouts! The antifa are all supporting the Nazis in Ukraine. Every left person in the Congress is supporting the Nazis. The entire "progressive Left" (really just liberals) is with the Nazis. The cultural bullshit is not a viable Left, nor is it Left at all. It's not going to solve or even deal with any of these cultural questions except by getting rid of competent people in favor of mediocrities. We don't think there is "systemic racism" in the US. Homophobia is not so important anymore. Women are practically ruling us men, not the other way around. So these aren't even important questions anymore!
What you call the Left in the US is nothing of the sort. And the Squad may as well just be liberals because that's what they act like.
LIfe in politics is not about achieving goals. If that were the case, I would have sold out long ago like everyone else. Life in politics is about fighting for the cause you believe in come Hell or high water.
Also in answer to your question, there are more of us than you think. A whole section of the feminist movement has turned on the trannies and on "Queer culture" in general.
"Since when can Leftists, whether hard, moderate or whatever, be social conservatives when according to Leftist ideology society is supposed to be subjected to continuous revolutionary change?"
It isn't. We don't believe in change for change sake and neither does most of the Left in the world. Most official Communist Parties, even those in power, don't agree with that. Further, existing CP's in a lot of places are fairly socially conservative. Look at the KPRF in Russia and the CCP in China. This malformation is just a distortion of the Western Left, mostly the West in the Left. Even the French Left doesn't like this bullshit!
If you're socially conservative then there's no social change.
We don't all want endless social change. Most of the existing Communist countries were socially conservative so according to you, they were not on the Left! Anyway, I'm a social conservative! I'm not left on culture, so the question is irrelevant. I'm 82% Left and 18% Right and as much as the Left has abused me, I am still a man of the Left. I hate rightists, Republicans, and conservatism in general. I've looked all over the US and the world and I can't see any conservatism I could support except maybe Putinism.
"How can you be a 'Hard Leftist' since Leftist ideology is predicated on activist social revolution?"
Easy. I'm hard Left on economics. That's the only important thing really. All the rest is bullshit. Anyway I'm to the left of the Republican Party on social stuff and to the right of the Left idiots. How can I? Real simple. I am not a liberal, progressive, or even social democrat, so I'm further to the Left than that. I've been told I'm not a communist so I'm probably just a socialist. The governments I most admire - China, Eritrea, Venezuela, Bolivia, Brazil, Honduras, the Sahel, the Houthis, Iran, Belarus, Russia, Vietnam, Laos, are all considered Leftist.
Basically I hate everyone to the right of me and no one to the left.
"What other kind of revolution is there but the social?"
Simple. Economics! Economics is everything anyway. In a lot of those societies I listed, there remains a lot of work to be done, especially on the position of gays and women. Social liberation involves the liberation of the gays, even trannies, Indians, indigenous, Blacks, women, etc. Liberation just means equal rights. That's social liberation right there. Once you achieve that, there's nothing more to do. I even think that women and even Blacks are still somewhat oppressed even here in the US. Of course Whites and men are oppressed too. We fight for the liberation of everyone, Whites, Blacks, men, women, no limits.
Any political or cultural thinking that doesn't promote the individual over the group is right-wing. To reduce the individual to nothing more than part of an homogeneous group in western societyis going to need Big Gubmint solutions enforced with plenty of law-fare violence.
"Any political or cultural thinking that doesn't promote the individual over the group is right-wing."
You mean any thinking that promotes the individual over the group is rightwing, right?
No. I mean the right-wing is the government. I do use a rather dated definition going back a couple hundred years to France.
The Jacobins were on the left during the monarchy. Then the Jacobins became the government and were the ssme as what they once opposed.
What is this "Right" of which you and Simplicius speak of? In the MSM it is *always* Far-Right. Get with the pogrom ... err, program!
Oh! Well, the MAGA Right is pretty much Far Right. I suppose the never-Trumpers might be the Right?
I agree with you though. Ever since Reagan, the Right has always been the Far Right. At some point, I'm not sure it makes sense.
The normative Right, the typical Republican voter, ought to just be the Right, correct? Far Right should probably always mean a fringe? It depends whether you think Far Right could ever be the center or if you think it always has to be a fringe.
Conservative/Right. Wants to freeze all change and keep things the way they are or at least go slow with change.
Reaction/Reactionary/Far Right: Wants "backwards change" - that is, wants to go back to the glory days of how things used to be. Now I'm Hard Left but on culture, I'm a reactionary because I want to roll back the Cultural Left to the 1996 Democratic Convention LOL. I was with the Cultural Left for some time, but finally the crazy train just got too nutty for me and started going off the rails, and this is when I decided I wanted off. Since then it's careened off into the distance headed over some cliff. So you see rollback isn't always a bad thing. The MAGA's are definitely reactionaries. See that slogan: Make America Great Again? Rollback. Back to the glory days of old. This can also be a fascist project.
Fascism: This is literally a "conservative revolution," same as Communism is a Left revolution. It's "revolutionary conservatism" or the "revolutionary Right." As it is the mirror image of communism, yes, in some ways, they do resemble each other. Fascism often wants a blood and soil revolution, and reifies the glorious past, national myths, national creation myths, etc.. For instance, Mussolini always referenced Rome. He was going to literally rebuild the Roman Empire!
It rises in reaction to a left that has gone too far or threatens to take over, often in a period of excess and decadence. Fascists equate the decay with too much democracy and promise an authoritarian solution. They also worship hierarchy, but all conservatives do. Fascism is also panengetic - that is, it represents the mythical Phoenix bird that rises from the ashes of its flames to fly again. The ashes represent the decadent present which the fascists with eliminate so the glorious culture of old can unfold again.
As MAGA folks don't seem to believe in democracy anymore and seem to be pursuing an authoritarian Right project or "permanent Republican state," people argue that MAGA is a fascist movement. In a sense, all rightwing authoritarianism might be seen as fascist, though it typically doesn't mirror Mussolinism.
Mmmm, guess you missed the implied sarc tag
Smoke more crack.
For the globalist war party, pogroms are part of the program.
The way I describe our current predicament is with a phrase I coined, viz. "Farxism" i.e. an unholy alliance between (Economic) Fascism (seen with Big Corporation uniting with Big Government against the best interests of hoi polloi) and (Social) Marxism (seen with the ruthless, and never-ending, assault on the values and norms of Western society).
To reference some well known quotes, with my additional commentary:
"Bad things happens when good people do nothing."
-The Bystander Effect seems to have taken hold over too many good people, thus leaving bad people to rule the roost.
"Hard times make hard men. Hard men make good times. Good times make soft men. Soft men make hard times. Hard times make hard men..."
-I fear we are on the brink of hard times that will take the passing of a generation or two before the return of a sufficient number of hard men to restore good times.
"I fear we are on the brink of hard times that will take the passing of a generation or two before the return of a sufficient number of hard men to restore good times."
Thanks to the clot shots the hard men just need to wait for the attrition of the weak. The hard men that resisted are a minority now.
The weak complied and will be dead or ill for the rest of their lives, and then they will be the minority.
"Thanks to the clot shots the hard men just need to wait for the attrition of the weak. The hard men that resisted are a minority now."
BS , this is more of the bystander effect. Just stay put , do nothing, the enemy will fall...
IDENTITY POLITICS is a powerful tool for the Left as Blacks, Hispanics, Hippies, women, (and the Irish) all consider themselves to be oppressed and like to whine about it. And I think even in the recent past they have gotten the worst of state treatment. But it is funny that the same set of white guys telling them this in order to get them to keep them in power, but that is just deception at work. I think the justification of pedophilia and gender weirdness are outliers which will pass when they count all the burned up kids in the Hawaii fire. The Libertarian (my preferred term for individual freedom from the deep state) and the WOKE live in two different information spaces, and I have never seen more censorship in my life. It's a Brave New World. The generals think wars are won in people's minds, not on the battle field. The Left and Right have two different stories. But some day that Ukraine winning story will collapse. Or the Blacks, Hispanics, and Irish will figure out it is really the WOKEs, and the jabs, and the generals who are oppressing them - and wait until they have to raise taxes and cut social security to pay for the war.
I know that many people like to talk about Social or Cultural Marxism, but I think it's more appropriate to just leave the "Marxism" part off, as it's a misnomer. "Entartete" Fascism or Woke Fascism is much clearer -- apart from the fact that the term Fascism is not properly understood by most. Woke Corporocracy perhaps then?
The culture war is driven by the elites to divide and conquer the majority, keeping them away from pointing at the ownership class as the real problem. Most of the politicians espousing culture war are utter hypocrites when it comes to their own families and friends. Like Ellen and the Obamas happily chatting and interacting with GWB. Biden being best buddies with the most racist and misogynist SOB in Congress. If the governor of Florida's daughter got pregnant at 16 she would go on a "vacation" to Paris and come back not pregnant like in the old days. The "identity politics" ramped up right after Occupy Wall Street to take the focus off the 1%. Both elite sides are fully neoliberal, fully Empire and fully Zionist. And a lot of them on both sides are utterly depraved human beings.
The culture wars are simply a distraction, an emotional quicksand, for the innumerant masses...”The "identity politics" ramped up right after Occupy Wall Street to take the focus off the 1%.”.....The money thing.....finances, the economy, natural resources, Human Resources, wealth, the distribution of wealth/ resources and here we are back to “politics”...is it as simple as divide and conquer?! Can anyone defend any ideology without ‘painting themselves into a corner’? Did Rodney King ask the penultimate question?
I agree with this. The culture war has gone to a very dark and terrible place. I used to be fairly pacifist, and held certain principles about various subjects. Now, when I see these kids on X(Twitter) being trans-ed by their parents and doctors, the only thing that comes to mind is a trial & a firing squad post haste
Skip the trials, go straight to the executions.
However much you scream bully and incite violence humans have non-binary sex genetics and morphology:
• Not XX and not XY are one in 1,666 births nearly 5 million globally.
• Total number of people whose bodies differ from standard male or female one in 100 births;
• Total number of people receiving surgery to “normalize” genital appearance one or two in 1,000 births.
https://isna.org/faq/frequency/
There is a line as thick as an oak between what you're saying - which is a biological reality - and what is happening on the cultural side with the trans movement
What is so frightening about the "trans movement", which barely exists in much of history and the non-western world?
1) While recognition of genders outside male and female has only recently been discussed in Western societies, so called “third gender” people have often been revered throughout South Asian history.
For example a) in Hindu society, people of non-binary gender expression have played important roles for over 2000 years. And b) Muslim rulers of the Mughal Empire in the 15th to 19th centuries were generous patrons of third gender Indians. Many rose to significant positions of power under both Hindu and Muslim rulers. In 2014, it was estimated that around 3 million third gender people live in India alone (out of a population 1,400 million = 0.2%).
https://rpl.hds.harvard.edu/religion-context/case-studies/gender/third-gender-and-hijras
And c) most academic work on gender in Indonesia shows that many cultures there have no strict gender construction of masculinity and femininity. Gender differences are viewed as a continuum rather than a dichotomy.
https://www.counterpointknowledge.org/beyond-gender-categories-the-bissu-of-sulawesi/
2) The bedrock argument you use to justify inflicting violence on a tiny minority for simply existing, that the concept of a “real women” and “family” are all under ferocious attack, on account of this tiny minority simply exitsing, is entirely counterfeit because biological sex in humans is non-binary according to the majority of global scientific opinion, which has known this fact since the topic was first studied. Also, about a third of trans people are “trans men” yet they are never identified as corrupting “real men” or “family” - why?
https://psychology.stackexchange.com/questions/23841/why-are-trans-women-more-common-than-trans-men
It is thus simply a recent 'Western' perceptions that a new ideology has 'suddenly' appeared claiming sex and gender in humans is non-binary rendering your whinging, bulling, and incitement to violence, utterly bogus, as is the false counter argument that such violence is justified by promoting the false narrative that sex in humans is rigidly binary.
https://www.sapiens.org/biology/biological-science-rejects-the-sex-binary-and-thats-good-for-humanity/
And there is the morphological fact that of the 140 million babies born last year, at least 280,000 did not fit into a clear penis versus labia model of sex determination. In other words you can't properly define if a person is a “real woman” or not by their external genital shape.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00224490209552139
3) The "cultural side with the trans movement" is thus simply aimed at shining a light on the above facts about human biology AND global cultural practices both historical and contemporary, which when studied honestly, reveal it is the 'Western' 20% of global population is the outlier in stoking violence - as you do in your comment here - against a tiny minority of humans, assuming they have such great powers to somehow destroy "normal society" / "normal people" / "normal folk" (quoting from the original article).
4) Finally, if you were really concerned about children's welfare you'd be advocating for fresh water for EVERYBODY GLOBALLY since without water, guess what? Children die c/w whinging about a handful of otherwise harmless trannies, (who do virtually no harm or killing): according to the Global Burden of Disease study 1.2 million people died prematurely in 2017 as a result of unsafe water. To put this into context: this was three times the number of homicides in 2017; and equal to the number that died in road accidents globally. In low-income countries unsafe water sources account for 6% of deaths.
https://ourworldindata.org/water-access
And almost one-in-ten people in the world do not get enough to eat: the share of children younger than five years old that are defined as 'wasted' - when a child’s weight is significantly lower than the average for their height, for example, because of acute food shortage or disease globally is 6.69% .
https://ourworldindata.org/wasting-definition
A lot of what you're describing in history is how societies have integrated or accounted for people who have displayed biological ambiguities, in the incidence rate of 0.2% +/- which again squares with the data currently in publication
Actual trans people - with dysmorphia - someone who truly believes he or she is of the other gender is someone with a mental illness, the same as someone who is bipolar or schizophrenic. I am not advocating violence against anyone like that, if anything all people deserve compassion and to be tolerated and treated when necessary.
The trans movement is not this, not by a long shot. Current polling shows people identifying as trans to be up in the higj single digits as a %. This is clear evidence of social contagion, of a 'movement' if you will, occuring at an incidence rate 20x or 50x the historical mean.
Cutting off a 10 year old boys penis, butchering a little girls forearm and sticking it to her crotch, I will never, ever accept or tolerate this insanity, this crime against humanity. And neither should you.
Who are you to dive into people's heads, cut them up into your own made up categories "someone with a mental illness" or not, and tell them who and what they are, or are not?
"Cutting off a 10 year old boys penis" is utter and total made up bull shit. And judging by the measured response you now offer us here, you know damn well its bull shit. So don't try and project onto me, suggesting that somehow by default I would support such actions, simply because I challenge your words here.
If you are genuinely worried about "crime[s] against humanity" then SHOUT about the almost one-in-ten people in the world do not get enough to eat: the share of children younger than five years old that are defined as 'wasted' - when a child’s weight is significantly lower than the average for their height, for example, because of acute food shortage or disease globally is 6.69% .
https://ourworldindata.org/wasting-definition
You wrote: "trial & a firing squad post haste" which is ignorant violence no matter how you want to now deny it.
The "social contagion" you use to deflect from real concerns about global welfare of children, is manufactured as a tool to divide and rule, and its worked very well on you judging by your rhetoric here.
1) The “LGBT offensive” has recently been weaponised on purpose by the imperial western empire's so called elites as a tool to divide and thereby divert people's attention away from their constant war-mongering and lying. It seems this irrational ignorant 'made-in-the-West' fear mongering is spreading into Hungary and Russia too now. Asian countries have thousands of years of history that insulates them from such ugly divisive propaganda (see details below).
https://fleawar.substack.com/p/lgbtq-rights-as-unconventional-warfare
2) There is no doubt that identity politics is a powerful tool indeed to divide people who are brain washed into anti-scientific beliefs systems that sex in humans can only ever be rigidly binary, when it it not (see details in my other comments above).
The western empire's so called elites are actively and successfully perverting the global working class from seeing themselves as a member of the working class with the concomitant class-based concerns about wages, health care, housing costs, etc., which had unified their class in the past through unions and political activism, into seeing themselves as belonging to separate and atomized tribal group identities based on race, ethnicity, sexuality, and gender. Divide and conquer is the idea behind corporate support for Identity Politics.
Identity politics also promotes the idea that all you have to do to be a good person is to say that you support all the various racial, ethnic, sexual, and gender tribal agendas. Being an “ally” is all it takes to be considered a member of good standing from the new progressive world view. A corporation may have terrible policies against unions, workers health and safety, and workers rights in general, but now they can be given a pass by the liberal new progressives by simply being “an ally” to the various identity groups.
https://pamho.medium.com/the-new-progressive-world-order-or-rage-against-the-deux-ex-machina-983e73905f9b
Child mutilation as "gender affirming care" is not made up bullshit. It is very real. Now, perhaps this is my generation's abortion or something, and if so, so be it, I am happy to be a single issue voter on the matter. I am happy that various states in the US, countries in the EU, and countless nations around the world have outright banned the practice (of mutilation).
As for mental illness, we have as societies categorized people. We have created definitions for sets of behavior and mental states and given them names, countless names. Perhaps there is no such thing, but the salient point I was making was that people can be sick in the head in different ways and it is no reason to ostracize them.
Conflating the suffering of children in the world with concern for mutilating children is... strange? Like some sort of purity test? Setting aside that its a rather infantile way to make an argument; You have no idea who you're talking to. You don't know if I'm working class, middle class, or elite. You don't know if I'm American, European, Asian or African. You don't know if I donate time, money, or both. I have no idea who you are and I don't want to know, but I'm not about to start making assumptions about you.
As for the "Rainbow ideology" of the West as you described - you're right, the rest of the world is utterly recoiling in disgust and shock at what is being peddled out of DC, London, Ottawa, Brussels, and Sydney, and fortifying their societies to ensure this social poison never finds its way into the minds of their most vulnerable. Putin himself spoke of this on occasion when he was articulating how the West has lost its way. So has Orban. And so have many leaders all over the world. Thank you for making my point.
This has been an interesting exchange, but its run its course I think. Feel free to respond if you have more to say but I won't be responding further.
I find myself asking over the past year and more...is this one of those “When in the course of human events...” moments in history? If not, when? What would it have to be, and what would the relative positions of the parties be at a later date?Interesting to read the Declaration again if you haven’t lately.
I also ask, trying to back away from that tree of liberty notion: will I ever really be able to renew the friendships suspended over the past four years? many of them decades or even life long but now seemingly poisoned? Can we somehow forestall a nasty divorce, and live together however coldly and guardedly, as it were, for the sake of the children (itself most agree a misguided motivation anyway)?
A past professor of mine, Carroll Quigley, argued that there really shouldn’t be (and wasn’t) all that much real difference between Rs and Ds since the American society as a whole held a common set of values reflected 90% at the base of both parties. The purpose of the two party system was merely to control corruption and periodically clean off the hull and throw the bastards out. We are as you point out here dramatically way past that now.
I am reminded of a tee shirt promoting a boxing club on the front, but on the back, before you knew that, was the simple sentence that recurs to me a lot... “Fighting solves everything”.
Ah yes, but R’s and D’s are the same today! Not the people but the politicians. They only fight for the elites and themselves, the useless eaters need to fend for themselves.
Lindsay Graham, Mitch McConnell, Dan Crenshaw, Kevin McCarthy🤢🤑(as I puke when I say his name) Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer and the likes of them are ALL ON THE SAME PAGE! VOTE FOR WHAT IS BEST FOR ME! Treason is their main game.
Well said. The whole purpose of the R's and D's is to split the Center, aka We The People, rendering them entirely ineffective in the political process.
"California Democrats Block Bill to Make Child Sex Trafficking a Serious Felony"
This has got to be fake news. I believe that in California, all statutory rape of 14-17 year olds by men up to ten years older than each year is classed as a misdemeanor instead of a felony.
24 year old man commits statutory rape of 14 year old girl: Misdemeanor.
25+ year old man commits statutory rape of 14 year old girl: Felony
25 year old man commits statutory rape of 15 year old girl: Misdemeanor.
26+ year old man commits statutory rape of 15 year old girl: Felony
26 year old man commits statutory rape of 16 year old girl: Misdemeanor.
27+ year old man commits statutory rape of 16 year old girl: Felony
27 year old man commits statutory rape of 17 year old girl: Misdemeanor.
28+ year old man commits statutory rape of 17 year old girl: Felony
I think that's how it works. Nevertheless, this 10 or less year age difference break that men got was not extended to gay men having sex with teenage boys. All the Legislature did was equalize the penalties for gays and straights. This was played up all across the rightwing media as "California Democrats support homosexual pedophilia and sex trafficking! BS as you can see.
If you read the articles you linked to, no one on the Left in those articles is defending "pedophilia" or "child sex trafficking."
It's simply not true that people on the Left generally defend "pedophilia," although it doesn't matter if you defend or oppose it, as pedophilia and being a pedophile is 100% legal everywhere on Earth! It's simply a way of thinking or a person who thinks in a particular way. It's not illegal until you act on these urges, at which time you commit the crime of Child Molestation and become a person known as a child molester.
Now, child molestation is an actual act and child molesters are people that committed a crime, and you can of course support or oppose the crime or offender in a meaningful sense.
"Child sex trafficking" is a fake term for what really should be called "Prostitution by a Minor." "Trafficking" itself is a BS word for what has always been called "pimping." Got a pimp? Congratulations, you're now being "trafficked!" Also all teenage prostitutes, even those in business for themselves, are automatically being "trafficked." Self employed teen prostitutes are literally "trafficking" themselves! Dumb or what?
No one on the Left or Right supports minors being prostitutes. I'm not aware of one person on Earth promoting that position.
Neither the Right nor the Left supports or defends child molestation, so it's a moot issue. There are a few outliers, mostly pedophiles, who support it, but they're not necessarily left or right.
Bottom line: Every time you see those idiot words "pedophilia" or "pedophile," just substitute "child molestation" or "child molester respectively.
Now you do that and you can finally talk about this issue and make sense at the same time.
Thanks! Your argument has a cooling effect and it leaves space for discussion. Boy, do we ever need that right now!
“Left” really is --- FASCIST.
Why is this soooo difficult to say ???
The difference between communism and fascism is that the latter does not own the means of production but has control over the private sector and therefore controls the means of production. Trotsky and Lenin advocated for World Revolution while Mussolini’s fascism centered around the Nation. (Stalin’s communism later did as well).
Both systems shun religion and the family unit and place the state as the center of total control over people’s lives. Both implement social domestic policies based on Marxism. Fascism is imperialist while communism seeks to spread by revolution.
Both systems are totalitarian in nature and oppose classical liberalism which is based on civil liberties, limited government and peaceful coexistence with other nations.
I think today’s Left is a self serving racket that is under the the thumb of the military industrial complex and big pharma on whom they depend on mostly for their campaign contributions. Their corporatist policies undermine the population but keep their voters interested by pushing divisive cultural marxist ideology that are harmful to the social cohesion of the nation state.
What’s called the Far Right are the remnants of classical liberalism on the fringes of the otherwise gutless Right.
Take the whole transgender and total equality of men and women for instance. After the Russian Revolution Trotsky promoted these ideals heavily until Lenin finally put an end to it. But you’re right maybe we should call it Trotskyism instead of the Cultural Marxism.
To your other point what private industry is there in a purely communist economy?
Because the fascists hated homosexual people and the L3ft doesn't.
They did not - The SA Brown Shirts were in fact degenerate sexual deviants that held orgies when they weren’t terrorizing Jewish Businesses and beating up Communists.
A side question:
Why one can no longer find “No country for old men” anywhere?
I tried and tried to find it -- only a Spanish language movie is available...
Very strange.
I just purchased it for, I think, $15. Now I don't know how to install it and how to use it... ;-((
Are there any instructions for incompetents and not computer smart?
This is far more complicated than I ever dreamt.
I purchased some upgrade rather than "free" to start with and get the following instructions:
Setting Up BitTorrent Web Pro
1. Here is your Web Pro license key: (I delete that) -- never found 2, 3, 4 --- and thank you for VPN and the rest. Will try to cancel ;-))
2. Open your Chrome browser, then click to install the Safe Torrent Scanner.
3. Open the Safe Torrent Scanner by clicking the Torrent Scanner icon on the right side of your Chrome toolbar.
4. Click on the blue “Upgrade to Pro” button. A license activation screen will open. Copy and paste the License Key from above and click “Activate”. You will see "License Activated" in the license slot.
Available everywhere, ie Google, Youtube, Prime for rent or buy
Hmm - thank you. I tried AppleTV, Netflix -- will try again.
Many thanks
eBay has copies
Amazon prime has it...
Many see moral principles as stemming from organized religion, however one might argue that they are simply our innate higher values, religions are simply stating the obvious. In this religion serves a useful purpose of steering waverers onto a better path. These culture wars are interesting (if not aggravating) as it demonstrates power brokers in society trying to create a collapse in moral vales, the real question is why though we can of course guess at some kind of "new" system of control.
Agree with you about the left label and its convenience. I voted NO as while the new left control the media, the money and the politicians there will be no easy victory. Victory there will be in time as few really want to live out a Sodom & Gomorrah fantasy of depravation while ensconced in an oppressive feudal society, even many that think they do will eventually be disgusted.
Been away from the West for a while but heading back soon, my belief system won't go over well, I can't be cancelled as not on social, but new laws are constantly emerging to fine or jail you for challenging the paradigm or irrationality. We shall see.
"Who Debunked Pizzagate Pleads Guilty to Child Rape."
More fake news! Regardless of whatever else he did, this man never raped a soul!
He's accused of:
Possession of child porn, including some of the worst kind. Merely possession of child porn does not constitute rape of one person ever.
Enticing some girls (probably teenagers) to take their clothes off on cam and send him nudes of pics of them masturbating. Men who get girls to send them sexually explicit photos of themselves do not rape a single person by doing so.
Where's the child rape? There isn't any!
Also, 40 years even for possessing CP is a ridiculous charge. I would say that in most cases, possessing child porn should have a maximum sentence of 10 years in prison. Our sentencing guidelines are ridiculously excessive.
Just because Lenin changed his Party's name from Bolshevik Party to Communist Party, circa 1919, doesnt make them communists...
As for Child Abuse:
whether the kids are school-schooled or home-schooled
schooling is still Child Abuse !
I propose the classification for these ideological cannon fodder be "Loftists". Bear with me, we're only swapping out one letter, so I'll hit it and quit it quickly. One of the main propellants of this politicult is the myth of "permanent growth" , for without that myth intact the ideological mob would stall, as if it we're an ICE without gas. Hence, "we will fly forever, lofting over flyover country...hahah" , you get the gist. The foot soldiers hum along - as "street level' flyers, eventually committing some cheap kamikaze act - if they "really mean it". Cheers!
Baitin' ?
I always do my part in toxic online discussions :D
Because the writer doesn't come from an overtly Christian perspective, he can never plumb the depths of real evil, which are directly associated with the aboriginal purveyor of all evil; nor does he acknowledge the chosen people who are his footsoldiers, and whose Frankfurt School societal deconstruction ideology is foursquare behind everything we see now coming to fruition, as was always the intention.
Mankind's fallen and evil nature must have its full and unhindered expression, before the end comes, and righteousness is restored upon the earth.
"Only he that hinders will continue to hinder, until he be taken out of the way."
We are now entering the final phase of our existence, as was prophesied "from the beginning."
You're right, he's not as unhinged as a "True Believer"(tm).
I suppose it's never occured to you that *EVERYTHING* has gone WRONG since Christianity was enforced by the sword?
Of course not, you only know what you know, and what you know has been carefully circumscribed by centuries of Thought Police.
BTW, when prophet Jesus said "Until the end of the Aeon", he meant the age of pisces, his fishermen and personal symbol. Now we are in aquarius, with a different symbol. And lo, you are still alive.
And it is the too-loudly "Christian" nations who have brought us to this doom we face.
So, "in the present age", it's Russia that's responsible for the carnage in Ukraine?
Or the jewish-controlled USA?
Take your time now.
Orthodox Christianity is quite different to Roman/Protestant Christianity, and at least from outside looks closer to its Pagan roots. They avoided putting Shamans ("Witches") on trial fx, let alone execute them.
I'm not saying Orthodox Christianity is the "One True Faith", like all monotheism it focuses upon the Ego, either exalting or rejecting it.
As much as every human MUST have a belief system ("Religion"), I see no point and little benefit (Except for social life) in getting attached to any of them. That is like saying "I love Drek so much I'll never read Dune or watch SW".
Next time I bump into a Hassi on a London street I'll make sure to ask them to get rid of Clinton for me. I can guess, with your attitude, that with enough of that "time", I could also request the same from any women, Blacks, non-Whites, Teh Gays, Libtards, Wokeists etc I randomly pass in the street.
ANYONE, except the generally rich white, nominally-"Christian" men who actually pull most of the strings. Realistically.
So - you don't want to answer the question.
What question? You mean about Ukraine? I assumed that was rhetorical.
So i could wait for you to respond again - showing you NEVER read the comments in Simplicious's Ukraine War Blog - or just save us both the time and say I think a hostile country building biological WMDs in a neighbouring country while slaughtering thousands of civilians whose only "crime" was not accepting a foreign-backed fascist-coup in their country most definitely adds up to a "provocation" of the highest degree.
As the conclusion to your initial harangue, you made an overt claim,
" ... And it is the too-loudly "Christian" nations who have brought us to this doom we face .... "
I showed with my question that this is a false assertion, which therefore undermines everything you say.
You even admit as much in this response of yours.
'...Orthodox Christianity is quite different to Roman/Protestant Christianity, and at least from outside looks closer to its Pagan roots...'
Did you get this from Michael Tsarion?
I have seen one or two of his shows in passing, but don't recall what they were on specifically.
No, this is a slow genesis of picking up clues decade by decade. Oddly, it's almst certainly the only World Religion about which i know next to nothing, and that is a very strange thing for someone who was already digging around in Crowley/Taoism/Buddhism/Paganism as a late teen - pre-Internet.
Such gaps appear to my mind to have been quite socially/politically deliberate.
And yet I STILL haven't dropped into and looked into that specific religion with any effort.
Mainly because I simply can't stand Xianity after experiencing it through Cathlicism and Protestantism in childhood, and the general behaviour, willful-stupidity, grotesque-ignorance, and frankly arrogance-based-on-nothing of Xian adults in general - with a few notable exceptions to that rule.
The only religious faith I despise more is Atheism, personally.
'...I simply can't stand Xianity after experiencing it through Cathlicism and Protestantism in childhood, and the general behaviour, willful-stupidity, grotesque-ignorance, and frankly arrogance...'
Completely understandable. My experience in the Protestant Church was awful. But as you mentioned there were notable exceptions. I converted to Orthodoxy about two years ago. Its like swapping a clapped out Hyundia for a Mclaren. It's not like the Orthodox Church is free from problems. Some of them are horrendous. The difference is all of these are obvious departures from Church tradition.
Pagan societies were hellholes of depravity and poverty beyond your most fevered imaginations. Among other things, pagan conversion by sword was hardly unknown, including during the 20th century.
Anyone who thinks Christianity is the origin of the human problem is way too stupid to talk to. And I’m not even a Christian.
A hundred years ago just about every where was a hellhole of poverty.