Civil war = a divided America easier to carve up and profit from and control. But it is kind of at odds with the need to have a cohesive America to fight ww3. (Unless that is a fugazi too). Either way, the glowies really botched things huh?
What about the money? What percentage of people's main source of income is the Federal government? Soldiers and police will stick with government as long as they are paid. The whole banking system depends on the government. This whole money system is complicated beyond comprehension. Well, for me it is.
I'm on the left (not the Lepht) and am pro 2nd Amendment. However, I believe that the current mainstream interpretation favored by the NRA and gun rights absolutists* does not match with the framers' intents. For one thing the "well regulated militia" is almost always ignored by them, and the actual meaning of that term in the context and language of the 2A. Frankly there are too many guns, but the bigger problem is that a small number of people with a lot of guns are the ones doing the mass shootings. Usually they are afflicted by syndromes they aren't even aware of. I generally point to the Rutherford Institute's reasoning for this: Excessive American Militarism at home (militarized police) and obviously abroad. They also call out the culture. Might makes right. Violence is cool and it solves all problems. Thirdly of course is mental illness (clinical or otherwise) and apathy borne of a disconnected society. Lots of countries allow gun ownership, a few of them have occasional mass shootings (not counting gangland type stuff here where the perp knows the victim), but nothing on par with the USA; I believe even when adjusted up or down for populations.
As a gun owner myself, I don't know what to do about the issue without introducing serious constitutional issues that will infringe on other rights in the Bill of Rights. Privacy for one (yeah right that ship has sailed). Unreasonable search and seizure (yeah right, that ship has sailed too). I know you are talking about a new civil war, but I wanted to chime in and say that a lot of Americans are unwilling to admit that there are simply too many guns circulating around.
I think you totally miss the elephant in the room; What will "de-dollarization" do to the Federal government, not only internationally, but nationally?
When the only one that will buy treasuries is the Fed, the dollar is toilet paper. The industrial base of the country has been hollowed out and now finance is something like 40% of the economy. It blows up and you won't even have a few tulip bulbs to show for it.
In which case, states and regions will have to develop local currencies. It won't be so much a war, as the big tree falling over and the little ones getting the sunlight.
I think what we really need to do, is better understand this reality. Then we would understand why crap like this happens.
As executive and regulatory function, government is like the nervous system, while money and banking are like blood and the circulation system. Theoretically distributing value around the community, but with public government and private banking, the banks rule and the only real job the flunkies and moral prostitutes allowed in office have, is running up the debt the banks need to function. The secret sauce of capitalism is public debt backing private wealth.
The reality is that money is a medium, like roads, water, air, etc. It's the network connecting all the nodes. If it's private, we are all tenant farmers to the banks. The way it is today, is like the heart telling the hands and feet to go suck dirt, because it's keeping all the blood for itself.
I could go on, but it seems most people are blind to anything beyond the various tribal war cries.
Until we actually start thinking, we are someone else's herd animals.
Sadly, i would remember the John Hopkins Center plan called : SPARS 2025-2028, in wich we are soon facing a globally 60% reduction of the population.
Yes, the JHC.'s numbers and calculations where often strategically fraudulent during C19 plandemy, but they drived the EVENT 201 preparing the fight against the wistleblowers and good scientists and physicians MDs BEFORE the plandemy.
I would underscore that lot of miscarriages and birth defects, sterility, and big spike of death are occuring since the near mandatory vaXXXination. Check the crematoriums overcharge and the tanathopractors intels.
A general dissolution of the federal system as happened when the Soviet Union collapsed seems to me the more likely than a civil war. I don't see the central government/ "Union" commanding enough popular loyalty and support to be able to fight effectively to put things back together.
Few US states are cohesive. They are generally blue cities within a much larger red hinterland. Whether the state is classed as blue or red depends on the balance of power between those two elements, whether honestly stated or achieved through fraud.
A large part of any conflict will be intra-state, which makes the process difficult to predict. City-based authorities have an advantage in terms of coordination but they also have a huge vulnerability. The most time-critical resources are water, food and energy, particularly electricity. Cut those for a week and life becomes diabolical and cohesion collapses. That is true everywhere but it is far easier to stop them for millions in a large city than for similar numbers dispersed across small towns and the countryside.
Organized force will involve the police, not just the military, and they have shown they dance to the tune of the government of which they are part.
If there is a conflict it will be chaotic with enormous numbers of deaths.
While this is all worthwhile to ponder, it is at the same time EXACTLY THAT - PONDERING ONE STRING OF SCENARIOS.
THE ONLY WAY TO SEE THE ENDGAME without ever being able to understand the individual ramifications IS TO READ THE BIBLE AND SPECIFICALLY THE BOOK OF DANIEL AND REVELATION.
In the REAL WORLD there are way too many optionalities that notwithstanding the best Quantum computer wouldn't be able to process THE OUTCOME - which is not meant to say that those games are not necessary to bring GOD ALMIGHTY'S ENDGAME TO FRUITION....
I have been waiting for an analysis like yours for years. I agree that secession is the most likely form the 'civil war' will take but I am not in possession of sufficient data to judge the likelihood of it happening. But I can't see a revolution from below happening because people in the US are too divided; they don't have any common ground to rally around at the moment. I am optimistic, however, that Woke culture could face challenges (is already facing challenges) that will contribute to its demise. Here in Scotland, where we have the most draconian 'hate speech' laws in the world, there has already been a backlash of sorts against transgender policies that contributed to the resignation of our very own poison dwarf. The get Woke Go Broke slogan attests to the inherent dangers of Wokeness as we have seen recently with 'Bud'. The emerging multi-polar world order will also assist those who can see the huge flaws in our so called liberal democracy - which is neither liberal nor democratic - and are desperate for radical change.
It’s interesting that the common wisdom for the North’s success in the Civil War was due to two factors: factories and railroads. Now in a hypothetical conflict of red vs blue, where the red political power base maps onto the old confederacy, the situation is reversed, as you so clearly demonstrate here.
De-dollarization aka currency collapse will I think play an extremely important role here. I wonder though if it might not serve to interrupt some of these dynamics. The social engineering, transgenderism etc., relies to a great degree on the infinite funding provided by the fiat spigot. Turn that off and much of the bankster mind control goes with it.
Then again many are very deeply indoctrinated, so the economic problems may only mean that the red states are able to slip the leash, thus driving blue states into a frenzy.
The “division” between “blue” and “red” states seems to me a poor, contrived analysis tool for what is happening in the US. It’s also a manufactured division that is a favourite with “conservatives” (whatever that may mean, another category that harbours more than a little bit of self delusion too) because it gives them the chance to broadcast their particular brand of virtue.
It’s a crude division that stems from the ages old myth of a 50/50 divide in American in which one half is 100% good and the other is 100% evil. In itself a projection of Christian myths, projections in their turn of the manychean tendencies of the human mind.
To envision an American civil war along bipartisan lines means presupposing that the population will be easily incited to violence by their heartfelt commitment to the (very slightly) varying programs of the bipartisan conglomerate. I doubt that commitment is strong enough in the majority. Though I accept that you don’t need a majority to start a war.
To think that the lines in a civil war in America will correlate chiefly with the result reluctant voters turn out in the last election is to ignore the main problem Americans have (which differs in no way with the problems of the rest of the world’s population): a capitalist system that has no checks and offers diminishing returns to the workers.
Another observation. There is less interest in and alarm produced by the trans issue (and related “woke” memes), among the general population than it is believed by the worthy readers of blogs such as this. Most working people do not give a second thought to this kind of culture war: they’re too busy working, looking for work or being unemployed.
When push comes to shove, the good people of Texas will do what Scots did: stay put and carry on as they were. Of course, they’ll have Texan secessionists and NRA fanatics (two subsets of status quo ideology) breathing down their necks and stirring up trouble, like Catalonians and MOR Ukrainians had.
This is not to say that the conditions for a split are not there but I think it’ll all be more complex and multifaceted than Trump vs Biden.
Excellent article. It reminded me of a book I read several years ago: "American Nations: A History of the Eleven Rival Regional Cultures of North America" by Collin Woodard. It provides insight into past developments and future trends.
Also, last year, I met a floor installer who was a refugee from California. He was a huge Trump supporter and CA just wasn't a good fit for him and his family any longer.
I am a supporter of the Texas Nationalist Movement but it's an uphill fight in Austin, which is nothing like the more conservative parts of Texas, partly due to other CA immigrants.
Finally, there is also the huge influx of Mexicans and others into Texas. Most of them are great people. I used to teach English to recent immigrants. It's hard to say how that will affect a possible secession.
The radical base of the Democrats seems intent in coming after your children. This, more than anything, will precipitate a preference cascade out of blue states, into safe-haven red states, and even into secession.
Ultimately, if the blue-state federal regime prevails, there will be nowhere to run.
In blue states, some people have economic incentive to stay and others have incentive to move. Retirees have an incentive to move from CA, cashing in on their house values, and showing up with cash in more affordable, better quality-of-life states. (This of course drives up destination real estate values. Hello, Oregon!)
Since median incomes are higher in blue states, working families have an incentive to stay.
Initially the working families in blue and purple states seek refuge in the suburbs or non-metro small cities. But the long reach of state-capital Mordor has no intention of leaving them alone.
There is little mention in comments, above, about religion as a precipitating reagent in the civil titration.
Radical leftists and secularists increasingly marginalize religion and normalize perverse behavior. They hold no truths to be self-evident, except the truth that there are no truths. Traditionalists to some extent adhere to the principle "In God we trust." They are not theocrats or puritans, but they know that God and religion provide a firm footing in the flood of capitalist and "progressive" media and policy. They believe in the dignity of the individual, and the responsibility of individuals to follow the way of their religion.
I expect the intensification of civil strife to be a replay of the many times in modern (post-1500) history when forces of tradition/religion and "progress" have collided. Why should we contemporary folks not be subject to the same historical processes?
Civil war = a divided America easier to carve up and profit from and control. But it is kind of at odds with the need to have a cohesive America to fight ww3. (Unless that is a fugazi too). Either way, the glowies really botched things huh?
What about the money? What percentage of people's main source of income is the Federal government? Soldiers and police will stick with government as long as they are paid. The whole banking system depends on the government. This whole money system is complicated beyond comprehension. Well, for me it is.
I'm on the left (not the Lepht) and am pro 2nd Amendment. However, I believe that the current mainstream interpretation favored by the NRA and gun rights absolutists* does not match with the framers' intents. For one thing the "well regulated militia" is almost always ignored by them, and the actual meaning of that term in the context and language of the 2A. Frankly there are too many guns, but the bigger problem is that a small number of people with a lot of guns are the ones doing the mass shootings. Usually they are afflicted by syndromes they aren't even aware of. I generally point to the Rutherford Institute's reasoning for this: Excessive American Militarism at home (militarized police) and obviously abroad. They also call out the culture. Might makes right. Violence is cool and it solves all problems. Thirdly of course is mental illness (clinical or otherwise) and apathy borne of a disconnected society. Lots of countries allow gun ownership, a few of them have occasional mass shootings (not counting gangland type stuff here where the perp knows the victim), but nothing on par with the USA; I believe even when adjusted up or down for populations.
As a gun owner myself, I don't know what to do about the issue without introducing serious constitutional issues that will infringe on other rights in the Bill of Rights. Privacy for one (yeah right that ship has sailed). Unreasonable search and seizure (yeah right, that ship has sailed too). I know you are talking about a new civil war, but I wanted to chime in and say that a lot of Americans are unwilling to admit that there are simply too many guns circulating around.
In which case, I'll post the same comment;
I think you totally miss the elephant in the room; What will "de-dollarization" do to the Federal government, not only internationally, but nationally?
When the only one that will buy treasuries is the Fed, the dollar is toilet paper. The industrial base of the country has been hollowed out and now finance is something like 40% of the economy. It blows up and you won't even have a few tulip bulbs to show for it.
In which case, states and regions will have to develop local currencies. It won't be so much a war, as the big tree falling over and the little ones getting the sunlight.
I think what we really need to do, is better understand this reality. Then we would understand why crap like this happens.
As executive and regulatory function, government is like the nervous system, while money and banking are like blood and the circulation system. Theoretically distributing value around the community, but with public government and private banking, the banks rule and the only real job the flunkies and moral prostitutes allowed in office have, is running up the debt the banks need to function. The secret sauce of capitalism is public debt backing private wealth.
The reality is that money is a medium, like roads, water, air, etc. It's the network connecting all the nodes. If it's private, we are all tenant farmers to the banks. The way it is today, is like the heart telling the hands and feet to go suck dirt, because it's keeping all the blood for itself.
I could go on, but it seems most people are blind to anything beyond the various tribal war cries.
Until we actually start thinking, we are someone else's herd animals.
Sadly, i would remember the John Hopkins Center plan called : SPARS 2025-2028, in wich we are soon facing a globally 60% reduction of the population.
Yes, the JHC.'s numbers and calculations where often strategically fraudulent during C19 plandemy, but they drived the EVENT 201 preparing the fight against the wistleblowers and good scientists and physicians MDs BEFORE the plandemy.
I would underscore that lot of miscarriages and birth defects, sterility, and big spike of death are occuring since the near mandatory vaXXXination. Check the crematoriums overcharge and the tanathopractors intels.
A general dissolution of the federal system as happened when the Soviet Union collapsed seems to me the more likely than a civil war. I don't see the central government/ "Union" commanding enough popular loyalty and support to be able to fight effectively to put things back together.
Few US states are cohesive. They are generally blue cities within a much larger red hinterland. Whether the state is classed as blue or red depends on the balance of power between those two elements, whether honestly stated or achieved through fraud.
A large part of any conflict will be intra-state, which makes the process difficult to predict. City-based authorities have an advantage in terms of coordination but they also have a huge vulnerability. The most time-critical resources are water, food and energy, particularly electricity. Cut those for a week and life becomes diabolical and cohesion collapses. That is true everywhere but it is far easier to stop them for millions in a large city than for similar numbers dispersed across small towns and the countryside.
Organized force will involve the police, not just the military, and they have shown they dance to the tune of the government of which they are part.
If there is a conflict it will be chaotic with enormous numbers of deaths.
While this is all worthwhile to ponder, it is at the same time EXACTLY THAT - PONDERING ONE STRING OF SCENARIOS.
THE ONLY WAY TO SEE THE ENDGAME without ever being able to understand the individual ramifications IS TO READ THE BIBLE AND SPECIFICALLY THE BOOK OF DANIEL AND REVELATION.
In the REAL WORLD there are way too many optionalities that notwithstanding the best Quantum computer wouldn't be able to process THE OUTCOME - which is not meant to say that those games are not necessary to bring GOD ALMIGHTY'S ENDGAME TO FRUITION....
I have been waiting for an analysis like yours for years. I agree that secession is the most likely form the 'civil war' will take but I am not in possession of sufficient data to judge the likelihood of it happening. But I can't see a revolution from below happening because people in the US are too divided; they don't have any common ground to rally around at the moment. I am optimistic, however, that Woke culture could face challenges (is already facing challenges) that will contribute to its demise. Here in Scotland, where we have the most draconian 'hate speech' laws in the world, there has already been a backlash of sorts against transgender policies that contributed to the resignation of our very own poison dwarf. The get Woke Go Broke slogan attests to the inherent dangers of Wokeness as we have seen recently with 'Bud'. The emerging multi-polar world order will also assist those who can see the huge flaws in our so called liberal democracy - which is neither liberal nor democratic - and are desperate for radical change.
So in short if one wants to END the USofT military actions one needs to exterminate the civilians that support it?!... Got it!
It’s interesting that the common wisdom for the North’s success in the Civil War was due to two factors: factories and railroads. Now in a hypothetical conflict of red vs blue, where the red political power base maps onto the old confederacy, the situation is reversed, as you so clearly demonstrate here.
Excellent, thorough analysis.
De-dollarization aka currency collapse will I think play an extremely important role here. I wonder though if it might not serve to interrupt some of these dynamics. The social engineering, transgenderism etc., relies to a great degree on the infinite funding provided by the fiat spigot. Turn that off and much of the bankster mind control goes with it.
Then again many are very deeply indoctrinated, so the economic problems may only mean that the red states are able to slip the leash, thus driving blue states into a frenzy.
😂 Wake up Mexico, there’s an opportunity there for you!
The “division” between “blue” and “red” states seems to me a poor, contrived analysis tool for what is happening in the US. It’s also a manufactured division that is a favourite with “conservatives” (whatever that may mean, another category that harbours more than a little bit of self delusion too) because it gives them the chance to broadcast their particular brand of virtue.
It’s a crude division that stems from the ages old myth of a 50/50 divide in American in which one half is 100% good and the other is 100% evil. In itself a projection of Christian myths, projections in their turn of the manychean tendencies of the human mind.
To envision an American civil war along bipartisan lines means presupposing that the population will be easily incited to violence by their heartfelt commitment to the (very slightly) varying programs of the bipartisan conglomerate. I doubt that commitment is strong enough in the majority. Though I accept that you don’t need a majority to start a war.
To think that the lines in a civil war in America will correlate chiefly with the result reluctant voters turn out in the last election is to ignore the main problem Americans have (which differs in no way with the problems of the rest of the world’s population): a capitalist system that has no checks and offers diminishing returns to the workers.
Another observation. There is less interest in and alarm produced by the trans issue (and related “woke” memes), among the general population than it is believed by the worthy readers of blogs such as this. Most working people do not give a second thought to this kind of culture war: they’re too busy working, looking for work or being unemployed.
When push comes to shove, the good people of Texas will do what Scots did: stay put and carry on as they were. Of course, they’ll have Texan secessionists and NRA fanatics (two subsets of status quo ideology) breathing down their necks and stirring up trouble, like Catalonians and MOR Ukrainians had.
This is not to say that the conditions for a split are not there but I think it’ll all be more complex and multifaceted than Trump vs Biden.
Excellent article. It reminded me of a book I read several years ago: "American Nations: A History of the Eleven Rival Regional Cultures of North America" by Collin Woodard. It provides insight into past developments and future trends.
Also, last year, I met a floor installer who was a refugee from California. He was a huge Trump supporter and CA just wasn't a good fit for him and his family any longer.
I am a supporter of the Texas Nationalist Movement but it's an uphill fight in Austin, which is nothing like the more conservative parts of Texas, partly due to other CA immigrants.
Finally, there is also the huge influx of Mexicans and others into Texas. Most of them are great people. I used to teach English to recent immigrants. It's hard to say how that will affect a possible secession.
The radical base of the Democrats seems intent in coming after your children. This, more than anything, will precipitate a preference cascade out of blue states, into safe-haven red states, and even into secession.
Ultimately, if the blue-state federal regime prevails, there will be nowhere to run.
In blue states, some people have economic incentive to stay and others have incentive to move. Retirees have an incentive to move from CA, cashing in on their house values, and showing up with cash in more affordable, better quality-of-life states. (This of course drives up destination real estate values. Hello, Oregon!)
Since median incomes are higher in blue states, working families have an incentive to stay.
Here are the median incomes: https://www.investopedia.com/median-income-by-state-5070640
Initially the working families in blue and purple states seek refuge in the suburbs or non-metro small cities. But the long reach of state-capital Mordor has no intention of leaving them alone.
There is little mention in comments, above, about religion as a precipitating reagent in the civil titration.
Radical leftists and secularists increasingly marginalize religion and normalize perverse behavior. They hold no truths to be self-evident, except the truth that there are no truths. Traditionalists to some extent adhere to the principle "In God we trust." They are not theocrats or puritans, but they know that God and religion provide a firm footing in the flood of capitalist and "progressive" media and policy. They believe in the dignity of the individual, and the responsibility of individuals to follow the way of their religion.
I expect the intensification of civil strife to be a replay of the many times in modern (post-1500) history when forces of tradition/religion and "progress" have collided. Why should we contemporary folks not be subject to the same historical processes?