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What about the money? What percentage of people's main source of income is the Federal government? Soldiers and police will stick with government as long as they are paid. The whole banking system depends on the government. This whole money system is complicated beyond comprehension. Well, for me it is.

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It's the government that depends on the banking system. Or, we could say, on the banking system's government.

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I'm on the left (not the Lepht) and am pro 2nd Amendment. However, I believe that the current mainstream interpretation favored by the NRA and gun rights absolutists* does not match with the framers' intents. For one thing the "well regulated militia" is almost always ignored by them, and the actual meaning of that term in the context and language of the 2A. Frankly there are too many guns, but the bigger problem is that a small number of people with a lot of guns are the ones doing the mass shootings. Usually they are afflicted by syndromes they aren't even aware of. I generally point to the Rutherford Institute's reasoning for this: Excessive American Militarism at home (militarized police) and obviously abroad. They also call out the culture. Might makes right. Violence is cool and it solves all problems. Thirdly of course is mental illness (clinical or otherwise) and apathy borne of a disconnected society. Lots of countries allow gun ownership, a few of them have occasional mass shootings (not counting gangland type stuff here where the perp knows the victim), but nothing on par with the USA; I believe even when adjusted up or down for populations.

As a gun owner myself, I don't know what to do about the issue without introducing serious constitutional issues that will infringe on other rights in the Bill of Rights. Privacy for one (yeah right that ship has sailed). Unreasonable search and seizure (yeah right, that ship has sailed too). I know you are talking about a new civil war, but I wanted to chime in and say that a lot of Americans are unwilling to admit that there are simply too many guns circulating around.

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Will address the asterisk when I get home.

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The term "Well regulated" means to be equipped organized and disciplined in 18th century English. The framers told the people to purchase canon. Its not about hunting animals, its about defending yourself your neighbor etc from a tyrannical government or an invading army.

Anytime someone starts a 2a opinion with "I'm pro 2nd amendment, however..." I can be certain that they are anything but.

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Frankly I'm surprised it took more than 24 hours for an NRA dittohead moron to respond with the typical bullshit. What is it you don't believe? That I'm pro-2A (and the ENTIRE Bill of Rights which I am) or that I'm a gun owner? I bet you don't think I own guns. LMFAO, but anyway you come off like a paranoid delusional NRA cult member and Birch Society holdover in your inability or unwillingness to accept what I say at face value. So back it up...

Speaking of the ENTIRE Bill of Rights - to my original asterisk (*) one of the things I meant to elaborate upon is how ignorant most 2A absolutists are about the remaining rights listed in the BoR. The right to privacy and immunity from illegal search and seizure for one.

Also, please elaborate on "well regulated militia" from your own perspective - You didn't bother to articulate any point whatsoever other than to invoke "18th century English" - And? Let's hear more...a tyrannical FOREIGN government or domestic? Remember, you mentioned an invading army. But give it to me in your own words.

Maybe you saw this dude's clips circulating around at some point in the past. Could you also break them down point by point and say where he's got the interpretation wrong?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKrFQVuB1iU

Or maybe you've seen this guy? His vid circulated widely after one of the mass shootings in, I think, El Paso (where I lost a literal next door neighbor).

https://www.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/v0kict/former_us_marine_rifle_and_pistol_coach_is_fed_up/

Finally, maybe before you answer any of the above, you could read this constitutional scholar's self-debate on the interpretation of the Bill of Rights from the context of the 2A, which presents "both" sides and dissects each accordingly. Are YOU a trained/educated/well read constitutional scholar or lawyer? I have the PDF if you cannot access it and will email it to you upon request.

https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/The-Second-Amendment-as-a-Case-Study-in-Amar/fcff5907b8c636747ab4c36fd747746cf9206511

Here's a condensed summary and semi-re-analysis of the original: https://newrepublic.com/article/73718/second-thoughts

I await your reasoned response predicated on your genuine engagement with the materials I have presented. I'm particularly interested in how you see the intersection of the 14A with the 2A and also your actual articulation of what a "well regulated militia" means insofar as your own understanding of "18th century English" and the context contemporaneous with the founders written words. I'm also very curious about how much you have to say about "the security of a free State."

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So what was the asterisk?

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Sorry have been somewhat busy and didn't see this question. The short version of the asterisk is related to "absolutists" and the necessary logical next step to Biden's dumb "F-15" comment. To wit, if indeed someone is an absolutist, then they would in fact seek to justify their need for 'heavier equipment' in terms of "arms" - which they believe there is an absolute right to bear. Why CAN'T I have an F-15 with fully functioning weaponry? Why can't I buy an F-22 or a fully functional M1 Abrams "tank"? Where are the limits? Depleted uranium? Nukes? The constitution says I can have them all according to the current Federalist/NRA interpretation of that amendment.

Another point pertaining to Biden's quote and one that relates to Simplicius' article on the coming "civil war": They both neglect to account for the fact that despite the Feds buying up all that ammo in the past few years, it is local and state police that are far more likely to infringe on your rights in a direct fashion. They jail the vast majority of the prison population in this country, not the Feds. They are also the ones responsible for nearly all of the death at the hands of law enforcement (and the failure to act like in that school in Uvalde, TX). They are immune from most prosecution (qualified immunity) and they get away with murdering civilians all the time. To me, no set of scenarios is complete without addressing the role that local/state police might have in large scale civil unrest. But everyone fixates on the Feds because we're talking about it in the geopolitical online ecosystem where the US federal government is widely accepted to be corrupt, evil and dangerous - and thus dominates discourse.

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You came a little unhinged there, easy buddy don’t want someone who supports the 2nd but thinks we need reasonable restrictions to red flag you.

In your original argument you pointed out something about “nra nut jobs ignoring the Well Regulated part” of the amendment. I pointed out that in the time the BOR were written the language of the times was a tad bit different. It wasn’t saying the militia needed arms it was saying that you as John Q citizen needed arms and the discipline needed to use it. Your failure to connect the dots and go straight to insults proves your ideas are shit. Also nobody I know supports the NRA, they have helped write more anti 2a legislation and erode our rights than most anti 2a groups combined. Toodles buttercup have a great day.

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Fair enough. I did go to insults too quickly there, but I read your initial reply as a veiled insult to begin with. But you are taking the easy way out and not addressing any of the more detailed points I provided in response. And yes, the NRA has an oddball history, so I should have been more clear that I'm talking about their current (and pretty longstanding) stance on the 2A and its interpretation. If you can get over being insulted maybe you can reply with more facts and actually read what I linked. And yes, I do think reasonable restrictions are needed and that your "interpretation" (if you can even call it that since you've articulated nothing) regarding militias is wrong. Also, see the 14th Amendment.

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All gun laws are infringements against my rights. It’s pretty clear because it’s literally the only one that says shall not be infringed. You cannot legislate the evil out of our world, but you can make people defenseless against it. As I stated originally, you do not support the second amendment, your argument was that “well regulated militia” meant some guns were for gov use only. You are wrong, full stop, nothing else you brought up as points are valid. You can absolutely own an F15, you can even own grenades and other explosive devices if you fill out the proper paperwork and pay the tax. Basically, you don’t know what you’re talking about, you’re repeating propaganda that you swallowed without doing your own research.

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Wrong. I said well regulated militia meaning a band of citizens who are either voted into a role locally or chosen in some other manner. State government would have purview over them for checks and "regulation", not the feds. So yes, you are an absolutist and you think you should be able to own any type of firearm or "arms", any type of ammo, any amount of either and be able to do so with nobody else but your bank or credit card company's knowledge. Regardless, the article and videos I provided don't argue for what you're saying I want anyway so you didn't watch them or read them.

Is reading comprehension always a problem for you or just on the topic of gunzzzz? No, I absolutely cannot own an F-15 that's fully armed with the latest weaponry, at least not in the continental US. Same applies to tanks. Grenades aren't even on my radar. Do you also think I can own a HIMARS system or Javelin or any SAM system that I would be able to fire at air traffic? Acquiring any of those things is incredibly difficult, just like it should be for certain types of guns and ammo.

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I know what you said and I don't care about the links you posted, your definition and the founders definition are two completely different things. You don't get to change the definition to fit your idea of what you think they meant.

As a 51 I'm more of a SMAW or Carl Gustav kind of guy personally but lug around that Javelin.

"Certain types of guns and ammo"... insert drooling brainless idiot meme... "I support the second amendment but.." No you don't and you're not convincing anyone let alone changing their opinions.

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In which case, I'll post the same comment;

I think you totally miss the elephant in the room; What will "de-dollarization" do to the Federal government, not only internationally, but nationally?

When the only one that will buy treasuries is the Fed, the dollar is toilet paper. The industrial base of the country has been hollowed out and now finance is something like 40% of the economy. It blows up and you won't even have a few tulip bulbs to show for it.

In which case, states and regions will have to develop local currencies. It won't be so much a war, as the big tree falling over and the little ones getting the sunlight.

I think what we really need to do, is better understand this reality. Then we would understand why crap like this happens.

As executive and regulatory function, government is like the nervous system, while money and banking are like blood and the circulation system. Theoretically distributing value around the community, but with public government and private banking, the banks rule and the only real job the flunkies and moral prostitutes allowed in office have, is running up the debt the banks need to function. The secret sauce of capitalism is public debt backing private wealth.

The reality is that money is a medium, like roads, water, air, etc. It's the network connecting all the nodes. If it's private, we are all tenant farmers to the banks. The way it is today, is like the heart telling the hands and feet to go suck dirt, because it's keeping all the blood for itself.

I could go on, but it seems most people are blind to anything beyond the various tribal war cries.

Until we actually start thinking, we are someone else's herd animals.

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Plenty of years ago it occured to me that USA is afflicted with the Curse of resource-ritch countries, but in an interesting way. First, the curse is that a country has plenty of natural resources (chiefly mines) but is itself a shithole. And the theory for why the curse is that mineral wealth is concentrated so it takes few people to take possesion of it, these few people can pay off a large government force (police) to keep them in power and the rest is just people fighting for scraps plus "normal" evil.

Well, it occured to me that since USD is (was) wanted by the world, it actually became this highly concentrated comodity! The "mine" for USD was the Fed and those close to the "mine", other bankers, got ritch by "selling" their resource to the world and then buying the police to protect them.

The conclusion of this, BTW, is that you don't want your currency to become the world reserve currency because it will destroy your country in a century. In fact, I think that since 16th century and advent of "reserve currencies", it was only the UK that didn't have a massive country-tearing war when its currency lost the reserve status. But even the UK had their seventies, with strikes, the Troubles and what not.

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Once this current cultural paradigm/narrative breaks down, there are so many angles to what is going on, it will truly be like leaving Plato's cave.

I think one way to see the US and the Americas in general, is humanity washing up against the edge of the global petri dish. From "Go forth and multiply," to "Go west, young man." We are linear, goal oriented creatures in a cyclical, circular, reciprocal, feedback generated reality and one of the ways this plays out in society is those with some degree of wealth and power and not constrained by a lot of moral scruples, will naturally use it to leverage more wealth and power, in a basic feedback loop.

When we are engineering systems, we know to install circuit breakers where the feedback loops will occur, so they don't blow up the system, but the only normal circuit breaker for this economic feedback loop is government.

Michael Hudson has been writing a series of books on how it played out in the Ancient world. Naked Capitalism has been doing a series of interviews with him. Here is the latest;

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2023/04/michael-hudson-debt-and-the-collapse-of-antiquity-part-2.html

If you read it and apply the lessons to the current situation, you will notice that Russia and China have developed a response to the oligarchs by essentially going back to more private, corporate forms of government, with Putin and Xi as respective CEO's.

Which any civil structure that arises from the ashes of this coming meltdown with have to do, unless they can develop some form of public banking system; http://www.publicbankinginstitute.org

As I pointed out in the original post, it would clarify things much better, if we recognize how government and banking mirror the biological roles of the nervous system and the circulation system. The basic physical processes of centripetal synchronization and centrifugal harmonization work in a yin/yang relationship, rather than assuming a top down, God Almighty paradigm.

Remember democracy and republicanism originated in pantheistic cultures. The family as godhead. The Romans adopted monotheism as the Empire was rising from the ashes of the Republic. The Big Guy Rules.

Logically a spiritual absolute would be the essence of sentience, from which we rise, not an ideal of wisdom and judgement, from which we fell.

Ideals are not absolutes and having the entire culture built around the premise makes it very unstable, as any idea can coalesce into an ideal, then calcify into an ideology. So we end up with all these absolutist belief systems battling it out to the death, with no room to recognize that different qualities will develop in different situations.

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Sadly, i would remember the John Hopkins Center plan called : SPARS 2025-2028, in wich we are soon facing a globally 60% reduction of the population.

Yes, the JHC.'s numbers and calculations where often strategically fraudulent during C19 plandemy, but they drived the EVENT 201 preparing the fight against the wistleblowers and good scientists and physicians MDs BEFORE the plandemy.

I would underscore that lot of miscarriages and birth defects, sterility, and big spike of death are occuring since the near mandatory vaXXXination. Check the crematoriums overcharge and the tanathopractors intels.

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A general dissolution of the federal system as happened when the Soviet Union collapsed seems to me the more likely than a civil war. I don't see the central government/ "Union" commanding enough popular loyalty and support to be able to fight effectively to put things back together.

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And their most loyal supporters are cowardly weaklings. Spiteful but weak.

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Few US states are cohesive. They are generally blue cities within a much larger red hinterland. Whether the state is classed as blue or red depends on the balance of power between those two elements, whether honestly stated or achieved through fraud.

A large part of any conflict will be intra-state, which makes the process difficult to predict. City-based authorities have an advantage in terms of coordination but they also have a huge vulnerability. The most time-critical resources are water, food and energy, particularly electricity. Cut those for a week and life becomes diabolical and cohesion collapses. That is true everywhere but it is far easier to stop them for millions in a large city than for similar numbers dispersed across small towns and the countryside.

Organized force will involve the police, not just the military, and they have shown they dance to the tune of the government of which they are part.

If there is a conflict it will be chaotic with enormous numbers of deaths.

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This is what the WEF wants.

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While this is all worthwhile to ponder, it is at the same time EXACTLY THAT - PONDERING ONE STRING OF SCENARIOS.

THE ONLY WAY TO SEE THE ENDGAME without ever being able to understand the individual ramifications IS TO READ THE BIBLE AND SPECIFICALLY THE BOOK OF DANIEL AND REVELATION.

In the REAL WORLD there are way too many optionalities that notwithstanding the best Quantum computer wouldn't be able to process THE OUTCOME - which is not meant to say that those games are not necessary to bring GOD ALMIGHTY'S ENDGAME TO FRUITION....

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I have been waiting for an analysis like yours for years. I agree that secession is the most likely form the 'civil war' will take but I am not in possession of sufficient data to judge the likelihood of it happening. But I can't see a revolution from below happening because people in the US are too divided; they don't have any common ground to rally around at the moment. I am optimistic, however, that Woke culture could face challenges (is already facing challenges) that will contribute to its demise. Here in Scotland, where we have the most draconian 'hate speech' laws in the world, there has already been a backlash of sorts against transgender policies that contributed to the resignation of our very own poison dwarf. The get Woke Go Broke slogan attests to the inherent dangers of Wokeness as we have seen recently with 'Bud'. The emerging multi-polar world order will also assist those who can see the huge flaws in our so called liberal democracy - which is neither liberal nor democratic - and are desperate for radical change.

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So in short if one wants to END the USofT military actions one needs to exterminate the civilians that support it?!... Got it!

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THE HUMAN MIND replying out of its ignorance condescendingly demonstrates exactly the former. Mixing up cause and effect is the very game of THE PRIDE OF THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN - the latter being the one leading all its members on its own road of destruction into the abyss....

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It’s interesting that the common wisdom for the North’s success in the Civil War was due to two factors: factories and railroads. Now in a hypothetical conflict of red vs blue, where the red political power base maps onto the old confederacy, the situation is reversed, as you so clearly demonstrate here.

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We could inflict real damage before the war turned hot. Get the farmers and truckers to organize so they quit working with blue areas. No protests or honks. Just quietly quit.

Break down the supply chains and cut off food. But they can get more dollars from Big Daddy government, so that wouldn't affect them. They think.

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Excellent, thorough analysis.

De-dollarization aka currency collapse will I think play an extremely important role here. I wonder though if it might not serve to interrupt some of these dynamics. The social engineering, transgenderism etc., relies to a great degree on the infinite funding provided by the fiat spigot. Turn that off and much of the bankster mind control goes with it.

Then again many are very deeply indoctrinated, so the economic problems may only mean that the red states are able to slip the leash, thus driving blue states into a frenzy.

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Let me add - while the PONZI SCHEME of FIAT CURRENCY being an integral part of THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN'S machinations and THE PONZI SCHEME is inevitably about to collapse (no HUMAN MIND knows the breaking point) - it is by no means some sort of silver bullet. Surely it is going to switch of the oxygen fan from the "fire" but who knows what other scheme THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN is going to come up with. CBDC is certainly in the cards in its scenario - THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN is fully aware that THE JIG IS UP ... which is the cause of the paranoid frantic frenzy they are in ... mistaking gasoline for the fire extinguisher ... i.e. LIES vs. THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE .... read THE BOOK OF DANIEL AND REVELATION ....

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Look, johnny boy has arrived on these shores as well. A true freedom warrior fighting for your liberties by censoring others. For him Jesus Christ is Julius Caesar and the baphomet costume actor posing as the world richest man oyr saviour. No wonder you see the future antichrist as your saviour johnny boy.

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😂 Wake up Mexico, there’s an opportunity there for you!

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The “division” between “blue” and “red” states seems to me a poor, contrived analysis tool for what is happening in the US. It’s also a manufactured division that is a favourite with “conservatives” (whatever that may mean, another category that harbours more than a little bit of self delusion too) because it gives them the chance to broadcast their particular brand of virtue.

It’s a crude division that stems from the ages old myth of a 50/50 divide in American in which one half is 100% good and the other is 100% evil. In itself a projection of Christian myths, projections in their turn of the manychean tendencies of the human mind.

To envision an American civil war along bipartisan lines means presupposing that the population will be easily incited to violence by their heartfelt commitment to the (very slightly) varying programs of the bipartisan conglomerate. I doubt that commitment is strong enough in the majority. Though I accept that you don’t need a majority to start a war.

To think that the lines in a civil war in America will correlate chiefly with the result reluctant voters turn out in the last election is to ignore the main problem Americans have (which differs in no way with the problems of the rest of the world’s population): a capitalist system that has no checks and offers diminishing returns to the workers.

Another observation. There is less interest in and alarm produced by the trans issue (and related “woke” memes), among the general population than it is believed by the worthy readers of blogs such as this. Most working people do not give a second thought to this kind of culture war: they’re too busy working, looking for work or being unemployed.

When push comes to shove, the good people of Texas will do what Scots did: stay put and carry on as they were. Of course, they’ll have Texan secessionists and NRA fanatics (two subsets of status quo ideology) breathing down their necks and stirring up trouble, like Catalonians and MOR Ukrainians had.

This is not to say that the conditions for a split are not there but I think it’ll all be more complex and multifaceted than Trump vs Biden.

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> The “division” between “blue” and “red” states seems to me a poor, contrived analysis tool for what is happening in the US.

True. In this vein, a YouTuber Whatifalthist made a video where he crudely simulated a civil war in USA and his first assumption was that the country would be split along COUNTY lines. Not state, county. The video in question: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JDLrSRROC8 I do not vouch for the entirety of the video, just that his idea of counting counties is better then counting states.

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Excellent article. It reminded me of a book I read several years ago: "American Nations: A History of the Eleven Rival Regional Cultures of North America" by Collin Woodard. It provides insight into past developments and future trends.

Also, last year, I met a floor installer who was a refugee from California. He was a huge Trump supporter and CA just wasn't a good fit for him and his family any longer.

I am a supporter of the Texas Nationalist Movement but it's an uphill fight in Austin, which is nothing like the more conservative parts of Texas, partly due to other CA immigrants.

Finally, there is also the huge influx of Mexicans and others into Texas. Most of them are great people. I used to teach English to recent immigrants. It's hard to say how that will affect a possible secession.

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The radical base of the Democrats seems intent in coming after your children. This, more than anything, will precipitate a preference cascade out of blue states, into safe-haven red states, and even into secession.

Ultimately, if the blue-state federal regime prevails, there will be nowhere to run.

In blue states, some people have economic incentive to stay and others have incentive to move. Retirees have an incentive to move from CA, cashing in on their house values, and showing up with cash in more affordable, better quality-of-life states. (This of course drives up destination real estate values. Hello, Oregon!)

Since median incomes are higher in blue states, working families have an incentive to stay.

Here are the median incomes: https://www.investopedia.com/median-income-by-state-5070640

Initially the working families in blue and purple states seek refuge in the suburbs or non-metro small cities. But the long reach of state-capital Mordor has no intention of leaving them alone.

There is little mention in comments, above, about religion as a precipitating reagent in the civil titration.

Radical leftists and secularists increasingly marginalize religion and normalize perverse behavior. They hold no truths to be self-evident, except the truth that there are no truths. Traditionalists to some extent adhere to the principle "In God we trust." They are not theocrats or puritans, but they know that God and religion provide a firm footing in the flood of capitalist and "progressive" media and policy. They believe in the dignity of the individual, and the responsibility of individuals to follow the way of their religion.

I expect the intensification of civil strife to be a replay of the many times in modern (post-1500) history when forces of tradition/religion and "progress" have collided. Why should we contemporary folks not be subject to the same historical processes?

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In essence then like always since THE GARDEN OF EDEN - THE TRUTH vs THE LIE - GOD ALMIGHTY vs THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN .... all indications point towards the ENDGAME OF GOD ALMIGHTY IS ON ...

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A thought provoking essay, but for me, the ascendent south and other red states have a resource problem: fresh water. In this vein, Nebraska, Kansas, and Oklahoma are losing the Ogallala aquifer. Lack of water and food can be a bit of a hurdle.

I disagree with you in regard to climate change. The deep South states are going to be unbearably hot.

Hungry and thirsty people will be desperate. Our coming civil war is going to be over resources. New York has 20% of the fresh water in the lower 48. Y'all will be coming.

There will be secession, but it will be New York and New England joining with Ontario and Quebec because we are resource rich and have deep trade ties with one another.

What you need to consider is that New York City and Boston are not necessary for the rest of NY state and New England when it comes to hydration and food. Western Massachusetts and Upstate New York do not conform with your depiction of people addled with wokeness. I have confidence that my proposed confederation will be tough to take.

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