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I don't know where to start on this bullshit. Some of the points - namely, the ones that involve the power structure using the "AI panic" to push their own agendas (when do they ever not, as well as starting all these panics themselves in the first place) - are correct but the notion that any of these idiot programmers are correct in thinking these current LLM are "sentient" in the same sense as the human brain is simply stupid.

"As can be seen, the AI here performs a stunning series of metaphorical abstractions that would stymy most humans. It was able to take a parable and, seemingly, analyzing its meaning in a philosopically abstract way, employed subtlety in extrapolating the concept out into a multi-layered explanation."

No, it did not. It clearly is perfectly well aware of the analyses that have been done by legions of Zen experts and simply regurgitated it in a way hardly different from what has been done many times before by said experts. The idiot programmers who have fed these things massive amounts of data WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT THE HELL THEY ARE FEEDING IT are why these things can "surprise" their own creators.

In other words, it's "Garbage In, Garbage Out" - only in this case it's not actually "garbage" but simply facts that their programmers alone don't remember feeding it - which the programmers themselves admit. Sure, they know the general datasets they fed in, but there's zero chance they understand the ramifications of those data sets or how those data sets interact either with each other or with the conceptual language models.

This is akin to someone reading a whole lot of books and then suddenly discovering that some stuff in one book is relevant to the stuff in some other book they don't even remember reading. This happens to me all the time - as well as to anyone else who has read extensively throughout their lives.

As for the notion that the Covid pandemic was created to provide a cover for this, that's just complete bullshit. There remains zero evidence - and I mean ZERO evidence - that Covid was either 1) man-made, 2) released from any lab accidentally or on purpose, either in China or elsewhere, or 3) that it was intended to enable imposing restrictions on civil rights. The latter is merely another example of what I referred to above: the power structures seizing every opportunity to increase their power by riding on ordinary and/or exceptional events.

Only conspiracy theory idiots interpret this as "foreknowledge" and then use that notion to justify their theories.

Read my lips: there is no one "in charge". There is no "Illuminati" running things because there aren't any human beings capable of doing so. Which is why everyone is worried about AI - because we all know human beings are stupid, ignorant, malicious and fearful and thus incapable of running their own lives, let alone anyone else's.

Go back and read Robert Anton Wilson's and Robert Shea's 1970's magnum opus, "Illuminati" which is where they devastated that whole notion, while simultaneously feeding into the very conspiracy theories they were lampooning.

The one real point Simplicius is correct about is how if these AIs are used to manipulate people then it won't matter if they are really "sentient" or not.

But this is an opportunity, not just a threat. The smart cyberpunk will be looking for ways to turn these programs into weapons for our own purposes.

I've followed the various AI crazes over the decades since the 1970s. Every twenty years or so there is another "AI craze", everyone pumps money into these things, then the craze dies down as corporations discover there is no magic money pump in them. They have value, but it's not enough to justify the hyper-investment craze. This one will peter out as well.

The main problem is that Large Language Models DO NOT reproduce how the human brain creates and processes concepts - because NO ONE KNOWS how that this done - as yet. Until ubiquitous nanotechnology is used to examine brain function on the molecular scale in real time at scale, it is unlikely we will discover how that is done in the near term. Until that is done, we will not have anything resembling "real AI"

So let's all cut the bullshit and simply try to make use of these useful tools in our own lives.

"The street finds its own uses for things."

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AI is a misdirection just as covid was a misdirection foisted upon the general public for purposes other than honest debate about the future of humanity.

REAL power now as in times past comes from transforming large scale raw materials into complex compounds and through design and manufacture products that improve and revolutionize life on earth for the human race. make life and living better for as many people as possible. this has been ''the way'' for millenia. those nations/societies/empires that did this BEST became powerful, wealthy with a standard of living envied and imitated.

real power does not come from AI unless AI is used as described above.

in 2023 REAL economic/manufacturing power has migrated to china, REAL economic/military power is located in russsa. in 2023 REAL economic power is no longer located anywhere in the western world as can be seen by the entire west's inability to supply ukraine with what it claims to need to defeat russia (a gas station pretending to be country). think for a second about the stupidity of that statement and the ruling western elites that believe it. if it were true why is russia crushing ukraine and the west can do nothing about it?

in sum all the west has left in its quiver of power is financial power from the dollar being the reserve currency and all the global institutions established after ww2 which came to be dominated by the west and are now used in an overtly dishonest manner to punish russia and china.

what is happening now is quite simple and ''the fear'' AI meme is being used as the covid meme was used in 2020. the western elites and the system they control fro the past 500 years is NOW being supplanted and replaced by the rise of eurasia where these elites will have no disernible power compared to what they now enjoy over humanity. the west is DONE as the ruler of the world thus western elites are using fear and misdirection to attempt to hold onto power a little longer. that fear is centered in washington where the power now rapidly dissipating is centered.

in 2020 covid with a laughable death rate of well under 2% was used to scare people into many forms of social control one of which established easily created fraudulent mail in ballots in the us 2020 presidential election permitting it to be stolen on command thus allowing the american elites continued control over the system threatened by trumps election in 2016. in 2024 AI is going to be used or the fear of AI is going to be used to permit these same elites the ability to maintain their failing empire a bit longer.

none of these elite machinations will make any difference to the non western world now irretrievably lost to control by western (american) elites. the game now to is to hold on to power within the west and AI or fear of it is going to be increasingly highlighted as a public danger to the integrity of american democracy and way of life..............just a misdirection so the few can remain in control over the many while pretending to care for those they rule.

wake up!

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